+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13
  1. #1
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    4

    Default Oleyl Alcohol for CB-03-01

    I have recently jumped on the bandwagon and bought 1g of CB from kane and I'm now trying to find the most effective vehicle (that can be realistically made at home) for its use.

    After reading a few posts I've decided to try a 10% oleyl alcohol and 90% PG solution. However, I have no idea whereabouts to source oleyl alcohol from (I live in UK). Does anyone have any experience with buying oleyl alcohol or know where I can get it from?

    Also, as a secondary theme to this post, how have people's experiences with kanes CB (form 3) been? Any success? I'll try and keep you posted when I sort out a vehicle myself for CB.

    (also new to these forums but been reading them for a year or two, I'm 22 and around NW2 and have briefly tried minox 2% and bimat)

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    1,084

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sc2013 View Post
    I have recently jumped on the bandwagon and bought 1g of CB from kane and I'm now trying to find the most effective vehicle (that can be realistically made at home) for its use.

    After reading a few posts I've decided to try a 10% oleyl alcohol and 90% PG solution. However, I have no idea whereabouts to source oleyl alcohol from (I live in UK). Does anyone have any experience with buying oleyl alcohol or know where I can get it from?

    Also, as a secondary theme to this post, how have people's experiences with kanes CB (form 3) been? Any success? I'll try and keep you posted when I sort out a vehicle myself for CB.

    (also new to these forums but been reading them for a year or two, I'm 22 and around NW2 and have briefly tried minox 2% and bimat)
    Bro put the cb in freezer and wait for a vehicle . Kane is suppose to release one very soon

  3. #3
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    4

    Default

    Yeah that's what my head says...but it's hard just to leave a possibility untested whilst my hair gets slightly worse every week!

    Whatever I do, it'll be small batches I make so as not to waste the whole CB with one vehicle.

    Has anyone seen the patent cosmo applied for the acne cream? This is what it said: ' Prepare a fluid cream containing 2 % cetylic alcohol, 16% glyceryl monostearate, 10% vaseline oil, 13 % propylene glycol, 10% polyethylenglycol with low polymerization 1.5% polysorbate 80 and 47.5 % purified water. Add 1 g of cortexolone 17α-propionate of crystalline form III to 100 g of this cream and subject the mixture to homogenisation by means of a turbine agitator until you obtain homogeneity '

    Although, i've heard that people tried a cream vehicle for hairloss and it didn't go well but i'm unsure what cream people used.

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    1,270

    Default

    cosmo acne vehicle is no good man

  5. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    81

    Default

    90% PG will definitely irritate your scalp. Oleyl is harsh too. I only know of one person able to use oleyl andhe mixes it with emu oil and seems to like it. Its only been a couple of weeks however. So no results in that vehicle as of yet.


    If u look at the skin permeation charts, Oleyl greatly increases the amount of CB absorbed. Let me see if i can find the chart for u.

  6. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    81

    Default

    2010 cosmo study, page 74.

    CA in PG 12.3ug/g skin concentration and penetration of undetectable
    CA in PG/OL 89.4 ug/g concentration and penetration of 141ng/ml/hr
    CB in PG 36 skin conc and penetration of 7
    CB in PG/OL 231 skin conc and penetration of 1410

    CB in 9:1 PG OLEYL on human skin in vitro

    too bad its too harsh for daily use.

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    1,474

    Default

    why not add 3grams of cb to 60mls of minoxidil lotion?

  8. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    81

    Default

    Because u need a penetration enhancer. I assume the minox lotion your talking about is pg based. Look at the difference with oleyl.

    The thing is oleyl won't mix with water or ethanol because its fatty. It even seperates from pg after a day. So u need something fat based like emu oil if u wanna use oleyl as your penetration enhancer.

    Ionto is the best option, but its not economically feasable.

    I'm trialing cb with 70% ethanol, 25% pg, and 5% dmso as my penetration enhancer. Its pretty much a shot in the dark with my vehicle. And I May swiitch to emu and oleyl soon.

    Oleyl is super greasy. Even more than pg. But u can't ignore how much more cb's skin concentration is when using oleyl.

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    103

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Knockin on NW4 View Post
    2010 cosmo study, page 74.

    CA in PG 12.3ug/g skin concentration and penetration of undetectable
    CA in PG/OL 89.4 ug/g concentration and penetration of 141ng/ml/hr
    CB in PG 36 skin conc and penetration of 7
    CB in PG/OL 231 skin conc and penetration of 1410

    CB in 9:1 PG OLEYL on human skin in vitro

    too bad its too harsh for daily use.
    CB got its great results with only twice weekly usage (albeit with an iontophoresis device). 2-3 times a week with OL seems like it would be worth it

  10. #10
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    4

    Default

    Any idea where you'd get the oleyl from?

    Have you thought about dermarolling before you apply CB? You could regularly use a 0.3mm dermaroller without too much damage to the skin and that could possibly help with penetration. I also had this idea of putting some CB solution on the needles of a 1mm dermaroller and then rolling with it and seeing if that helps at all.

    However, I'm also looking to start RU also and wouldn't want to use a dermaroller too often as it may increase how much goes systemic.

Similar Threads

  1. Does anyone use rogaine and also drink alcohol?
    By sheamie95 in forum Men's Hair Loss: Start Your Own Topic
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 06-15-2013, 06:52 PM
  2. Does anyone use rogaine and also drink alcohol?
    By sheamie95 in forum Introduce Yourself & Share Your Story
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-14-2013, 06:25 PM
  3. Finasteride and Alcohol Use
    By Geoffrey in forum Men's Hair Loss: Start Your Own Topic
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 07-25-2012, 07:54 PM
  4. Alcohol, Rogaine and redness
    By mynameisred in forum Hair Transplant: Start Your Own Topic
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 03-16-2012, 01:41 PM
  5. Drinking alcohol before FUE
    By Usernameexists in forum Hair Transplant: Start Your Own Topic
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 11-03-2011, 08:37 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

» IAHRS

hair transplant surgeons

» The Bald Truth

» Recent Threads

1800 graft repair case results by Dr. Lindsey
Yesterday 08:38 AM
Last Post By Dr. Lindsey
Yesterday 08:38 AM
Navigating the German Job Market as a Kenyan Citizen
11-04-2023 06:31 AM
Last Post By Keegan212
Yesterday 03:51 AM
DR HAKAN DOGANAY/ 4500 GRAFTS / Implanter Pen+FUE
03-26-2024 04:15 PM
Last Post By Hakan Doganay, MD
03-26-2024 04:15 PM
The Mane Event for Thursday, June 15th, 2023
06-15-2023 02:59 PM
Last Post By gisecit34
03-26-2024 08:05 AM
Sun Exposure after Hair Transplant
02-26-2009 02:36 PM
Last Post By gisecit34
03-25-2024 08:24 PM