Reconsidering my position on reproducing with the balding gene

[25 going on 65]

This subject has come up before on BTT. My position at one time was "a kid born today will never have to go bald, so it does not matter if you pass your crap hair genes on"
In light of the depressingly slow progress of new treatments, & realizing more and more how many sufferers can not actually stop androgenic alopecia w/ current meds....I am going to have to say it is wrong to have children if you have this gene

Things to consider:

-If your son gets on fin or dut at 18, he still could go bald or significantly balding
-Even in your kid's lifetime the advances in treatment might not be enough to ensure a fully dense NW1-2
-Your kid may be unlucky & not respond to new treatments just like some do not respond to fin/dut/minox
-Your kid may not even be a good transplant candidate if he is a diffuser

I am sure I could think of other things if I spent a little time.
Basically there are many reasons why people should not pass their genes on. Androgenic alopecia is definitely one of them until we have a REAL CURE to this disease

The biggest parenting mistake most people make is reproducing when their genes are not good enough. Do not be selfish

[baldozer]

This subject has come up before on BTT. My position at one time was "a kid born today will never have to go bald, so it does not matter if you pass your crap hair genes on"
In light of the depressingly slow progress of new treatments, & realizing more and more how many sufferers can not actually stop androgenic alopecia w/ current meds....I am going to have to say it is wrong to have children if you have this gene

Things to consider:

-If your son gets on fin or dut at 18, he still could go bald or significantly balding
-Even in your kid's lifetime the advances in treatment might not be enough to ensure a fully dense NW1-2
-Your kid may be unlucky & not respond to new treatments just like some do not respond to fin/dut/minox
-Your kid may not even be a good transplant candidate if he is a diffuser

I am sure I could think of other things if I spent a little time.
Basically there are many reasons why people should not pass their genes on. Androgenic alopecia is definitely one of them until we have a REAL CURE to this disease

The biggest parenting mistake most people make is reproducing when their genes are not good enough. Do not be selfish

Being bald does not mean you have bad genes. At worst, it means you have bad hair genes. But you could as well have bad eyes genes, bad nose genes, bad chin genes, low IQ genes and so on. Don't be such a prick!

[Morbo]

Mental illnesses are often genetically determined. So yeah, you probably shouldn't reproduce.

[redy]

This subject has come up before on BTT. My position at one time was "a kid born today will never have to go bald, so it does not matter if you pass your crap hair genes on"
In light of the depressingly slow progress of new treatments, & realizing more and more how many sufferers can not actually stop androgenic alopecia w/ current meds....I am going to have to say it is wrong to have children if you have this gene

Things to consider:

-If your son gets on fin or dut at 18, he still could go bald or significantly balding
-Even in your kid's lifetime the advances in treatment might not be enough to ensure a fully dense NW1-2
-Your kid may be unlucky & not respond to new treatments just like some do not respond to fin/dut/minox
-Your kid may not even be a good transplant candidate if he is a diffuser

I am sure I could think of other things if I spent a little time.
Basically there are many reasons why people should not pass their genes on. Androgenic alopecia is definitely one of them until we have a REAL CURE to this disease

The biggest parenting mistake most people make is reproducing when their genes are not good enough. Do not be selfish

So, you're saying that because I have a cosmetic flaw that literally has no effect on anything else about me other than my current self-esteem, I shouldn't be allowed to have a kid?

Wait, I have glasses though...

Good thing fin will castrate me, right?

God bless the internet!

Or is this just your ridiculous rationalization to giving up on yourself because it's easier than shaving your head or not giving a shit about hair loss?

[BigThinker]

So, you're saying that because I have a cosmetic flaw that literally has no effect on anything else about me other than my current self-esteem, I shouldn't be allowed to have a kid?

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

What about if: you're short, have an ugly nose, have acne, have eyes too far apart or oddly shaped, have very pale or very dark skin, have thin eye brows, have poor deltoid genetics, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.?????????????????????????????????? No kids for you? Or is it literally one physical trait that you happen to be afflicted with that somehow magically holds precedence over every other undesirable physical trait?

Or, how about if you're a perfect male specimen appearance-wise but have a double digit IQ, family history of heart disease, suffer from depression and/or anxiety, and micropenia? Does that somehow qualify a guy to pass on those shitty genes since people don't have to look at it?

[Dan26]

^^ Hey BigThinker bro how is fin/minox going for you lately

#noshamehijackingthisthread

I sware man we have almost the same hair, texture degree of loss and ive been on my regimen a lot shorter than you + dipping below baseline and mad shedding lately.

[25 going on 65]

Being bald does not mean you have bad genes. At worst, it means you have bad hair genes. But you could as well have bad eyes genes, bad nose genes, bad chin genes, low IQ genes and so on. Don't be such a prick!

Unfortunately one bad gene can spoil an otherwise good pool of DNA

Mental illnesses are often genetically determined. So yeah, you probably shouldn't reproduce.

I am aware, thanks.

So, you're saying that because I have a cosmetic flaw that literally has no effect on anything else about me other than my current self-esteem, I shouldn't be allowed to have a kid?

Not saying you should not be allowed....just that it would be selfish & the children of the future deserve better odds than your hair genes can give them
(This is not personal, the same goes for me)

Or is this just your ridiculous rationalization to giving up on yourself because it's easier than shaving your head or not giving a shit about hair loss?

I said nothing about giving up on myself

What about if: you're short, have an ugly nose, have acne, have eyes too far apart or oddly shaped, have very pale or very dark skin, have thin eye brows, have poor deltoid genetics, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.?????????????????????????????????? No kids for you? Or is it literally one physical trait that you happen to be afflicted with that somehow magically holds precedence over every other undesirable physical trait?

Or, how about if you're a perfect male specimen appearance-wise but have a double digit IQ, family history of heart disease, suffer from depression and/or anxiety, and micropenia? Does that somehow qualify a guy to pass on those shitty genes since people don't have to look at it?

Most people SHOULD NOT reproduce & you list some of the possible reasons why
However the most obvious and often most important reasons are physical. Except in extreme cases (severe autism, being so stupid you cannot handle basic arithmetic, incurable suicidal depression, etc), looking like crap is basically the worst disadvantage you can have in life. And unfortunately hair loss beyond a certain point means looking like crap for most men

FYI I would not say all the things you listed are dealbreakers for having kids. Abnormally dark or light skin, thin eyebrows, lame deltoids can be fine. Depends on many other factors

[Dan26]

what if you end up reproducing with someone and the combination of your DNA yields a Jason Statham type kid?

Dawg look around there are plenty of bald guys who are at least average looking, if your in shape its a huge plus.

[baldozer]

Looking like crap is basically the worst disadvantage you can have in life. And unfortunately hair loss beyond a certain point means looking like crap for most men

I don't think so. If you are bald, at least make sure you are in shape, and grow some facial hair to take the attention away from the head and balance the face. Also helps if you are tall. So what I'm saying is that you can look pretty good even bald.

[redy]

Take a step back here,

think about part of your argument...

If being bald makes you ugly, shouldn't you just have kids with an ugly female with whatever characteristic you define as ugly?

Plenty of guys have attractive women in their lives and are bald - because they have decided that their hair doesn't define them as ugly.

Plenty of guys have ugly women in their lives and are bald - because they have decided that their hair defines them as ugly.

Obviously there are other cosmetic factors here, but try to think about that for a second. If you think you're less attractive, why the do you deserve an attractive female? That girl didn't ask for her genetic acne scars and you didn't ask for your genetic baldness... Sorry but not all of us are movie star material, that's why there are movie stars.

[BigThinker]

^^ Hey BigThinker bro how is fin/minox going for you lately

#noshamehijackingthisthread

I sware man we have almost the same hair, texture degree of loss and ive been on my regimen a lot shorter than you + dipping below baseline and mad shedding lately.

Hey bro,

Shedding is nonexistent. 1-2 hairs on my hands tops when I shower. I pass the pull test all day long; I'm talking like 5 consecutive pulls, zero hairs. But, as you just said, I am indeed at least slightly below baseline. The hairs *on* my head that are of "full" length are high quality. Lots of tiny blonde hairs at the hairline from minox, but I don't suspect they'll ever go terminal.

If you recall, I was shedding almost exclusively miniaturized hairs when I was going through my insanely long shed. I think I was probably about done shedding from fin (~6 months) when I added minox which is when the shedding went nuts. Finally on the other side of that and if shedding is indicative of a positive response to treatment, I think I might just preserve my NW2.5 after all.

Hoping to see regrowth to baseline, but I'll be content with keeping what I have. Better part of 9 months on fin and about 2.5 months (I think) on minox -- still a while till regrowth.

How's all with you?

Most people SHOULD NOT reproduce & you list some of the possible reasons why
However the most obvious and often most important reasons are physical. Except in extreme cases (severe autism, being so stupid you cannot handle basic arithmetic, incurable suicidal depression, etc), looking like crap is basically the worst disadvantage you can have in life. And unfortunately hair loss beyond a certain point means looking like crap for most men

FYI I would not say all the things you listed are dealbreakers for having kids. Abnormally dark or light skin, thin eyebrows, lame deltoids can be fine. Depends on many other factors

I like ya, bud, but you're starting to sound like Highlander. We all know hair loss sucks. That's why we're here. This talk about not reproducing is absurd though, and I really think you know that and are just a bit shook up about something.

[Dan26]

Very very happy to hear the good news brother! It gets pretty rough when your sheddding like a MOFO, losing ground, and it seems like its only gonna get worse. That's basically whats happening to me now. I've been on kirkland minox since august and fin since august too. But i was only taking 0.25mg and it did nothing to my DHT so had to up it to 1mg beginning of October. To think a year ago considering fin was a huge deal for me and I was very against it, and now I am getting impatient and wanting to pop some muhf*ckin dut for Christs sake lol.

Ah well, our fate is in the hands of the MPB Gods now.

I, like you, would be pretty pleased just maintaining a nw2.5-2.8. Im tellin ya man worse part about MPB is the constant progression and fear of knowing what is in store if you don't stop it. Id take a nw2.5 with loss completely halted over a nw1 that is slowly slowly heading down hill any day.

[25 going on 65]

what if you end up reproducing with someone and the combination of your DNA yields a Jason Statham type kid?

Dawg look around there are plenty of bald guys who are at least average looking, if your in shape its a huge plus.

You are a genuinely likeable poster but come on man, a bald guy who is average in looks is lucky....not common. Most bald guys I see day to day vary from terrible to below average
There are goodlooking bald guys like Statham, but they are SO rare it is just not worth the risk of having a kid. This is a human life we are gambling with

I don't think so. If you are bald, at least make sure you are in shape, and grow some facial hair to take the attention away from the head and balance the face. Also helps if you are tall. So what I'm saying is that you can look pretty good even bald.

These things can help but they do not come close to compensating for a lack of facial attractiveness (which baldness alone is enough to cause in most cases)
Your face is the #1 most important thing for being attractive, period. & almost all faces require at least a decent frame of hair to be goodlooking

If being bald makes you ugly, shouldn't you just have kids with an ugly female with whatever characteristic you define as ugly?

Why would you do that? The whole point is not to create ugly people

Plenty of guys have attractive women in their lives and are bald - because they have decided that their hair doesn't define them as ugly.

Plenty of guys have ugly women in their lives and are bald - because they have decided that their hair defines them as ugly.

Obviously there are other cosmetic factors here, but try to think about that for a second. If you think you're less attractive, why the do you deserve an attractive female?

I do not see "plenty" of bald guys with hot women. Yes it does happen, for the same reason any unattractive guy can date out of his league....by being a good/stable provider to one woman who will constantly be looking at other (better looking) guys and possibly sleeping with them at some point.
Anyway appearances are about more than getting an attractive partner. I have already posted about how much better they can make your life in multiple ways, I won't repeat it here

I like ya, bud, but you're starting to sound like Highlander. We all know hair loss sucks. That's why we're here. This talk about not reproducing is absurd though, and I really think you know that and are just a bit shook up about something.

I am not like Highlander, he was a racist religious zealot.
But damn right I feel shook up. The dut shed this year is wrecking me. I got very nice results on fin and felt I had a second chance at life....now I feel like I lost it again. The ongoing battle, the endless spending and pill popping, gaining ground and losing it again....very few people deserve this madness
I am serious about not reproducing. The balding gene ALONE completely changed the course of my young adulthood. When I think about what my 20s would have been like w/o this gene, it makes me sick
tbh the good run I had on fin almost makes it worse now. LIFE IS SO F*CKING AMAZING when women like how you look. There is nothing else to replace this, absolutely nothing

Guys who bald young (or guys who are aesthetically f*cked for any other reason) will simply never experience the best things in life, and knowingly creating a person like that is selfish. I have seen your stories about women on this forum, you KNOW how it feels to watch a pretty girl falling for you as she looks at you. You know how it feels to be wanted/chased/loved and NOT because of your money or because you happen to be in the right place at the right time (ie she is drunk, just broke up with her boyfriend, is mad at her group of friends, & will never want to see you again once she sobers up)
Do you think that experience will EVER come to a guy who looks like this? http://www.visualphotos.com/image/2x...bald_young_man

F*ck no, it will not. His life will never hold a candle to what it could have been, just because of his genes. Just because his parents wanted to roll the dice despite knowing they probably would lose.

We have every right to be pissed off at our parents. Mine knew exactly what was up. You know what my father said when I called him on it? "Yeah we were kind of hoping you would avoid that"
"Kind of hoping" a dominant gene skips your kid's generation is not a legitimate approach to creating another human life, one that will have to suffer for DECADES just because you did not think through the consequences of your actions

But yeah I like you as a poster too. This is not personal to anyone here. I just have nowhere else to vent my bitter rage

[25 going on 65]

Ok. After rereading my posts, I will admit they might be a little too extreme because I am depressed/bitter
Will have to contemplate it some more I guess

[DepressedByHairLoss]

I can see your point, 25 going on 65. I am not sure that I would outright say that people who suffer from hair loss should not have kids, but I will say that before a couple decides to have children, they should put serious thought into what kinds of genetic defects they could be passing on to their children and how these defects will manifest themselves in their children's lives. I doubt that I will ever have children (mainly due to other factors besides hair loss), but if I ever do, I will damn sure put in the aforementioned "serious thought" that I described.