Histogen 2013 MESA Presentation

[Scientalk56]

http://www.histogen.com/downloads/scmom-oct2013-final.pdf

What i noticed that:
1- Histogen Phase I/II Clinical Trial did not show photos, just detailed statistics (Male Patients)
2- Dr. Craig Ziering US Physician-sponsored Trial – showed photos, with no detailed statistics (Female patients)


what i don't get:

Phase I/II Clinical Trial – 56 Subjects
PRIMARY SAFETY 12 weeks
• Clinical chemistry showed no indication of toxicity or blood/urine abnormalities
PRIMARY EFFICACY 12 weeks
• 10.45% increase in mean total hair count over baseline p=0.0013
• 19.5% increase in mean terminal hair count over baseline p=0.0135
• 86% responder rate

WTF with 10.45% and 19.4% increase? isn't that supposed to be 60% ?
and no, don't answer that. the only one who can explain that is Dr gail. because you will give me answers based on 7th grade math class.

Enjoy..

[Thinning87]

http://www.histogen.com/downloads/sc...2013-final.pdf

What i noticed that:
1- Histogen Phase I/II Clinical Trial did not show photos, just detailed statistics (Male Patients)
2- Dr. Craig Ziering US Physician-sponsored Trial – showed photos, with no detailed statistics (Female patients)


what i don't get:

Phase I/II Clinical Trial – 56 Subjects
PRIMARY SAFETY 12 weeks
• Clinical chemistry showed no indication of toxicity or blood/urine abnormalities
PRIMARY EFFICACY 12 weeks
• 10.45% increase in mean total hair count over baseline p=0.0013
• 19.5% increase in mean terminal hair count over baseline p=0.0135
• 86% responder rate

WTF with 10.45% and 19.4% increase? isn't that supposed to be 60% ?
and no, don't answer that. the only one who can explain that is Dr gail. because you will give me answers based on 7th grade math class.

Enjoy..

Use your brain:

The reason the numbers are different is because the 60% growth referred to a single case. The 10 and 19% figures are averages...

[Arashi]

Use your brain:

The reason the numbers are different is because the 60% growth referred to a single case. The 10 and 19% figures are averages...

Yup. Next to that photo stating +61%, you'll see the number of the patient (s1016) who got those results.
Obviously it's a patient with very thin recpient, so if you only have a few hairs, the higher the increase in percentage will be of course. Hence I think an absolute number would be way more interesting to see than a percentage

[Scientalk56]

interesting answers. thank you

[LMS]

so basically histogen actually kinda sucks lol.

who gives a shit about 10% more hair thats like minoxidil levels.

[Scientalk56]

so basically histogen actually kinda sucks lol.

who gives a shit about 10% more hair thats like minoxidil levels.

this the kind of comments i was afraid to hear

well i will try to explain it to you in simple words:

if you are now norwood 0 - full head of hair. if you use histogen probably you will have 1% increase in hair
if you are now norwood 6 - bald head, if you use histogen probably you will have 50%-60% increase in hair

[hellouser]

this the kind of comments i was afraid to hear

well i will try to explain it to you in simple words:

if you are now norwood 0 - full head of hair. if you use histogen probably you will have 1% increase in hair
if you are now norwood 6 - bald head, if you use histogen probably you will have 50%-60% increase in hair

So essentially NW2-4 will get best aesthetically pleasing results.

[Artha]

this the kind of comments i was afraid to hear

well i will try to explain it to you in simple words:

if you are now norwood 0 - full head of hair. if you use histogen probably you will have 1% increase in hair
if you are now norwood 6 - bald head, if you use histogen probably you will have 50%-60% increase in hair

exactly!

[Artha]

I think they want to release a product that can be use for multiple thing beside hair growth and maybe that why they take their time.

[greatjob!]

and no, don't answer that. the only one who can explain that is Dr gail. because you will give me answers based on 7th grade math class.

I got an idea, how about you don't start a thread by insulting everyone on the forum...

[drybone]

When is the crap finally going to get FDA approval?

[Thinning87]

I got an idea, how about you don't start a thread by insulting everyone on the forum...

Yeah seriously. Especially if it takes a lot less than seventh grade math to figure it out haha

[Arashi]

When is the crap finally going to get FDA approval?

First they need to conduct phase 2b. I've read mixed reports about what happens after that. Some seem to think that Phase III isn't necessary in Asia, other seem to think that's not true.

[k3nk3n]

Guys, also take into consideration that they only used norwood 3 vertex and above for their trails, so that 10% growth rate might just be not that effective.

[PatientlyWaiting]

Well if they bring it out now that i'm still NW3, that would be very helpful. But it's not coming out now is it? 5 years? When I will be like an NW5billion. I'm seriously considering just ending it all, going to India, and get an FUE for cheap from a quality doctor there next year. I can't wait much longer. From 16 years old to 24 years old with this nightmare.