For guys <NW4 who refuse oral DHT inhibitors, what do you think is the end game here?

[25 going on 65]

Not the guys who tried to take fin or dut but could not tolerate the sides. To them I give my deepest respect and condolences.

I mean guys who are NW1.5-3 who easily have enough hair worth saving, but refuse to take fin or dut (usually fear of sides). Do you not realize you are worried enough to be on a hair loss forum, yet you are giving up without a fight?
If you do not realize, then here- YOU ARE GIVING UP YOUR HAIR

There are guys on this forum who would love to be in your position, to have the choice to take these drugs, as they watch you complain about baldness while you are simultaneously letting it happen.
tbh you kind of owe these guys an apology.

Do you even realize you have a huge advantage over like 95&#37; of balding men? Most guys never understand MPB well enough to effectively stop it. They just f*ck around until one day they are like NW3 + diffuse, then start inconsistently rubbing rogaine into their scalps, then at NW4 start "researching" (ie surfing Wikipedia & randomly ordering crap like saw palmetto or nettle root). Then they hit NW5, realize they are f*cked for life, and just give in. Just settle down with some hillbilly lady in a rundown, ranch style house with nothing but cable TV to look forward to every weekend

Meanwhile I see guys who are like NW1.5-2, who can easily avoid all this, posting about MPB on hair loss forums yet too scared to take fin/dut. Well done wasting your advantage. Congratulations, you are more aware than like 19/20 dudes on the street, yet because you spent 30 minutes pissing yourself on PropeciaHelp it means absolutely nothing.

The worst part? Half of you will end up taking oral inhibs anyway, like 2 Norwood levels after you knew you should have.

You have 2 possible futures. One is you with hair, one is you bald.

Do not be the "what-if" guy

[Dan26]

This man speaks the truth!

Honestly if you hopped on dut at the first signs of hairloss, you'd likely be golden for many many years....Personally I do not advise dut in young men for long term use, but if you look at the studies it is shown very effective and pretty damn safe. I say that as I am hoping fin is enough for me lol, perspective could shift in the future! The worse your hair gets, the less you will care about sides, and more you will throw caution to the wind and pray for the best...

[Notcoolanymore]

Not the guys who tried to take fin or dut but could not tolerate the sides. To them I give my deepest respect and condolences.

Do not be the "what-if" guy

I agree with this. The rest of your post is spot on too.

I think most of the young guys think they have plenty of time to address their hair loss. By the time their hair loss get really bad they will have better options than they do now. They think fin will definitely make them impotent so they will just wait for a better treatment. They believe better treatments are just around the corner, and they will not have to worry about sides with these new treatments.

I hope I am wrong, but something tells me the next "cure" isn't going to work for everybody, will also have the potiential for sides, and will not turn a NW5 into a NW1.

When it comes to treating hair loss time is definitely not on your side. Hopefully some of the young guys will understand this sooner rather than later.

[Notcoolanymore]

Another quick note to the guys that are waiting for miracle cure that is side effect free. Now I am not claiming to be the smartest guy and I am definitely not an expert on hair loss.

From what I understand about hair loss, DHT is the main culprit in damaging hair follicles. The only way to stop hair loss is to do something about DHT. I just don't see any way to get around the potential for sides when you are talking about manipulating hormonal balance in the body. Maybe some meds will do this better than fin, but I think it is just wishful thinking to believe that you can get away with screwing with hormonal balance and it not effecting anything else in the body. Even if there is a treatment that will grow hair, you will still need to use something that will deal with DHT.

[fred970]

I got boobs on medication and had gynecomastia surgery a year ago.

I do not refuse to take finasteride, I just can't. Yet some clinic representative told me I was not "willing" to take meds. Gyno is worse than hair loss.

Edit: sorry, I just read the beginning of your thread. Thank you.

[25 going on 65]

I thought I would get more resistance but I like the replies so far. If this thread convinces even one guy to take fin/dut who would go bald otherwise, we have done good work here

[StuckInARut]

This is so true, thanks OP for posting this thread. I hope if someone currently sitting on the fence reads this it helps them to see the light so to speak. Better to have tried than not tried at all and live with regret. That is unless you can accept your hair loss and just move on with your life.

[yeahyeahyeah]

1) there is a poster called kirkby on here who lost a drastic amount of hair after hopping on fin. Went into a never ending shed.

2) Cognitive sides - brain fog worries me. I am required to have a clear mind due to work.

3) I am hoping histogen would hurry up. My HL being slow - I am hoping that it will hold out until then, they I will get a HT and top up from histogen.

4) I dont like the idea of playing around with my hormones.

5) I AM PISSED FIN IS THE ONLY THING ON THE MARKET

Not the guys who tried to take fin or dut but could not tolerate the sides. To them I give my deepest respect and condolences.

I mean guys who are NW1.5-3 who easily have enough hair worth saving, but refuse to take fin or dut (usually fear of sides). Do you not realize you are worried enough to be on a hair loss forum, yet you are giving up without a fight?
If you do not realize, then here- YOU ARE GIVING UP YOUR HAIR

There are guys on this forum who would love to be in your position, to have the choice to take these drugs, as they watch you complain about baldness while you are simultaneously letting it happen.
tbh you kind of owe these guys an apology.

Do you even realize you have a huge advantage over like 95% of balding men? Most guys never understand MPB well enough to effectively stop it. They just f*ck around until one day they are like NW3 + diffuse, then start inconsistently rubbing rogaine into their scalps, then at NW4 start "researching" (ie surfing Wikipedia & randomly ordering crap like saw palmetto or nettle root). Then they hit NW5, realize they are f*cked for life, and just give in. Just settle down with some hillbilly lady in a rundown, ranch style house with nothing but cable TV to look forward to every weekend

Meanwhile I see guys who are like NW1.5-2, who can easily avoid all this, posting about MPB on hair loss forums yet too scared to take fin/dut. Well done wasting your advantage. Congratulations, you are more aware than like 19/20 dudes on the street, yet because you spent 30 minutes pissing yourself on PropeciaHelp it means absolutely nothing.

The worst part? Half of you will end up taking oral inhibs anyway, like 2 Norwood levels after you knew you should have.

You have 2 possible futures. One is you with hair, one is you bald.

Do not be the "what-if" guy

[ChrisM]

1) there is a poster called kirkby on here who lost a drastic amount of hair after hopping on fin. Went into a never ending shed.

2) Cognitive sides - brain fog worries me. I am required to have a clear mind due to work.

3) I am hoping histogen would hurry up. My HL being slow - I am hoping that it will hold out until then, they I will get a HT and top up from histogen.

4) I dont like the idea of playing around with my hormones.

5) I AM PISSED FIN IS THE ONLY THING ON THE MARKET

You do realize there is Dutasteride which is three to four times more effective that Finasteride and blocks at least two types of 5AR hair loss enzyme in DHT making it a far more potent DHT blocker.

I quit Finasteride correction I weaned myself off of Fin after a year and three months seeing no remarkable results and then switched up to Avodart. Holy Crap... in under six months the baby vellus hairs on my crown and vertex darkened and in some cases turn gray by thickened. Since I had no side effects from Fin I figured in was worth the crap shoot and it was most definitely pics will be forthcoming. I was an advanced NW5 into a NW6 and now it looks like I jumped up in levels back steadily to a NW3 due to patience and resolve. Even my ex and the mother of my kids has a lingering stare after me as I leave the door from her place to pick them up with a renewed look on her face of what happened this guy looks better and I have worked out in conjunction with that and lost weight and gained some abs and put a chin up bar in my home. It has given me back a sense of coming back from limbo.

In a few months I saw far more results than Fin ever showed and on top of that I upped my keto to the medicated 2 percent and got more Minoxidil 5 percent foam and now I see my scalp flaking and shedding for more sensitive skin underneath growing hair. With very little to no shed just growth. Plus I take Biotin a hair growth and nails supplement which has also helped along with black tea.

[hiilikeyourbeard]

You do realize there is Dutasteride which is three to four times more effective that Finasteride and blocks at least two types of 5AR hair loss enzyme in DHT making it a far more potent DHT blocker.

I quit Finasteride correction I weaned myself off of Fin after a year and three months seeing no remarkable results and then switched up to Avodart. Holy Crap... in under six months the baby vellus hairs on my crown and vertex darkened and in some cases turn gray by thickened. Since I had no side effects from Fin I figured in was worth the crap shoot and it was most definitely pics will be forthcoming. I was an advanced NW5 into a NW6 and now it looks like I jumped up in levels back steadily to a NW3 due to patience and resolve. Even my ex and the mother of my kids has a lingering stare after me as I leave the door from her place to pick them up with a renewed look on her face of what happened this guy looks better and I have worked out in conjunction with that and lost weight and gained some abs and put a chin up bar in my home. It has given me back a sense of coming back from limbo.

In a few months I saw far more results than Fin ever showed and on top of that I upped my keto to the medicated 2 percent and got more Minoxidil 5 percent foam and now I see my scalp flaking and shedding for more sensitive skin underneath growing hair. With very little to no shed just growth. Plus I take Biotin a hair growth and nails supplement which has also helped along with black tea.

you do realize he just said he doesn't like the idea of playing around with his hormones right?