My story

[Notcoolanymore]

Wow, you should've beat him the **** down for low balling you. You should never be treated like that unless it was a good buddy and he said it when it was just you too so you can cluck him upside the head.

But to point out your hair in front of everybody AND to lay a hand on your head is pushing it. Everyone would've understood why you did it too if you just got up and stomp him on the chest off his seat. The **** is society coming to?

Even I feel like hunting that pansy down and killing him. Hire me... I'll find him and snipe him like in Jack Reacher. LOLLLL

That dude was a total turd. Paddy never came back to his own thread. Looks like he threw in the towel already.

[PaddyBateman]

Hi guys,

Sorry about the delay in replying. Swamped at work.

*NotCoolAnymore* & *mpb47* - (just to clarify, she doesn't read my history, it was actually her laptop I was borrowing, and she say the propecia history.) I get your points, that we might not be together in the future. Thing is, I regard that as extremely unlikely, we are moving in together, been together for a long time, and are pretty rock solid. So I end up considering my future, and kids, with her. I together get your point about it being *my* decision, but so long as it causes her so much worry about me taking it, the weigh-up doesn't feel worth it. Believe i've tried discussing it and explaining the risks (or lack of) with her, but this is a classic case of where the internet is a curse - all you have to do is google "propecia side effects" and you are presented with so much awful information that it would put anyone off. It did with me at first, and it took time and careful research (and listening to Spencer Kobren's broadcast specifically on Propecia) for me to get round it. To get her to see it the way I do is tough. I could just take the drug, of course - and i've considered that. It's particularly why i'm trying to throw the kitchen sink at it now, to check if anything else works!

I'm slightly put off by minoxidl for the moment, due to the number of people reporting terrible sheds on it, which do not return (perhaps bad internet advice again though..). And the fact, that you have to apply it twice a day - I can tolerate once a day, but to go outside / work with a liquid on my hair that makes it look dreadfully thin...so much of my morning styling is to make it look as less thin as possible. Again, i've not ruled it out though, i've no doubt I will if my current regimen cometh to nothing..

*Proper* - yeh you're right, he was a total c-word. And any other time, I would have dealt firmly with someone who did that, but it was the humiliation in front of my colleagues, about my hair (the one true soft spot) that just made me crumble. However, I should add, I got him back, right where it hurts him & embarrassed him severely in front of plenty of people in a similar situation after finding out his weak spot. Revenge is sweet.

*35yearsafter* - I look fine with a short-ish haircut. But my goodness, does a slightly longer cut suit me and my head-shape more. I've got a hair-transplant, FUT 2000 graft booked in for November. This hopefully should tidy up my front part, and my aim to to then "maintain" the rest of it, before something better comes along (histogen/replicel?). My hairloss is very slow, and it's honestly hard to notice it change at all. I have to look back at photos some years ago to really tell the difference. Is it possible at all, that at my age, it could slow down? That you hit a level, before your body just calms with it? (a mature hairline...). Or is this just a poppy**** fantasy.

Also, to all - Keratene Alphaactive Retard..any good? I've read it's had clinical trials, reco's by good docs, and good clinics, and it reduces DHT (in a different way to Propecia). Is this worth a shout? I'm not sure it can be as easily dismissed as other things, owing to the "evidence" that actually looks a tad more concrete.

All the best,

PB.

[35YrsAfter]

Also, to all - Keratene Alphaactive Retard..any good? I've read it's had clinical trials, reco's by good docs, and good clinics, and it reduces DHT (in a different way to Propecia). Is this worth a shout? I'm not sure it can be as easily dismissed as other things, owing to the "evidence" that actually looks a tad more concrete.

All the best,

PB.

It's definitely worth taking a look at. It often takes a while before there is a clear picture of possible side effects. We all could uses a better alternative to Propecia and Avodart. As I mentioned in the forum before, the best non-hair transplant result I have ever seen was on a patient who had been taking Avodart for 8 years and had an ACell/PRP treatment.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
forhair.com
Cole Hair Transplant
1045 Powers Place
Alpharetta, Georgia 30009
Phone 678-566-1011
email 35YrsAfter at chuck@forhair.com
Please feel free to call or email me with any questions. Ask for Chuck

[PaddyBateman]

It's definitely worth taking a look at. It often takes a while before there is a clear picture of possible side effects. We all could uses a better alternative to Propecia and Avodart. As I mentioned in the forum before, the best non-hair transplant result I have ever seen was on a patient who had been taking Avodart for 8 years and had an ACell/PRP treatment.

I am going to get a DHT test done, then start Keratene Alpha-active Retard, then get a DHT test done afterwards. If it shows a decrease, then i'll continue with it for the longer haul. I'll also inform the forum of my results for their use.

Although, what if my DHT test shows that I already have an average level of DHT, or even a low level - would that mean that anti-DHT drugs would be no good against MPB for me?

Also, what sort of results did that patient get ? From what state, to what sort of improved state? Interesting you mention ACell/PRP, that was also another angle I was looking at, but i've read consistently negative reviews on here for that. What do you make of it?

Thanks,

PB.

[Dan26]

Dude dont waste your time and money on keratine...if anything take a very small dose of fin ie 0.05mg/day

[Notcoolanymore]

Dude dont waste your time and money on keratine...if anything take a very small dose of fin ie 0.05mg/day

That's a pretty small cut.

[Dan26]

@nca dissolve in alchohol broski

[PaddyBateman]

Dude dont waste your time and money on keratine...if anything take a very small dose of fin ie 0.05mg/day

Why do you think it would be a waste of time? This product actually has some relatively solid evidence / trials backing up it's claims. It's pretty new to the market, so will take time before a consensus is built I guess.

[35YrsAfter]

I am going to get a DHT test done, then start Keratene Alpha-active Retard, then get a DHT test done afterwards. If it shows a decrease, then i'll continue with it for the longer haul. I'll also inform the forum of my results for their use.

Although, what if my DHT test shows that I already have an average level of DHT, or even a low level - would that mean that anti-DHT drugs would be no good against MPB for me?

Also, what sort of results did that patient get ? From what state, to what sort of improved state? Interesting you mention ACell/PRP, that was also another angle I was looking at, but i've read consistently negative reviews on here for that. What do you make of it?

Thanks,

PB.

Dr. Cole began using PRP because it has been shown to improve healing. Emory hospital administers PRP to patients with sports injuries with great success and Emory University has courses related to the use of PRP. In some cases, PRP increases hair shaft diameter. We sent out a survey to our patients regarding their PRP treatment. Within the last year, we did four stand-alone PRP treatments. On the other hand, roughly 70% of our patients have PRP with ACell during their hair transplant procedures. The survey results are about 50/50 related to patients noticing an improvement in their hair quality (thicker look). On the other hand effectiveness of PRP in promoting quicker healing is difficult to gauge through a survey, because many of the patients don't have any point of reference. I personally see donor areas healing in four days when patients use ACell/PRP during and after their surgery.

I want to mention again, the best result I have seen with a stand-alone ACell/PRP treatment was in a patient who was using Avodart for 8 years prior and continuing through his treatment.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
forhair.com
Cole Hair Transplant
1045 Powers Place
Alpharetta, Georgia 30009
Phone 678-566-1011
email 35YrsAfter at chuck@forhair.com
Please feel free to call or email me with any questions. Ask for Chuck

[Dan26]

Why do you think it would be a waste of time? This product actually has some relatively solid evidence / trials backing up it's claims. It's pretty new to the market, so will take time before a consensus is built I guess.

We've had multple members on here take pre and post DHT blood tests only to find out there was no signifigant change. Plus what they are claiming is not possible...ie decreasing DHT with no change in testosterone

Please man do not waste your money and more importantly time on this.

[PaddyBateman]

We've had multple members on here take pre and post DHT blood tests only to find out there was no signifigant change. Plus what they are claiming is not possible...ie decreasing DHT with no change in testosterone

Please man do not waste your money and more importantly time on this.

Ok , noted - I'll have a read on here about it and the experiences of those on here.

But how about the clinical studies , that show a decrease in DHT? The report is available for viewing. Unless it was just made up, it warrants some thought?

[Notcoolanymore]

Please man do not waste your money and more importantly time on this.

This is so true. The thing is I feel much worse for all the time I lost as opposed to the money. If I could have that time back, I would be in much better shape.

[Dan26]

Ok , noted - I'll have a read on here about it and the experiences of those on here.

But how about the clinical studies , that show a decrease in DHT? The report is available for viewing. Unless it was just made up, it warrants some thought?

I know man it is very confusing looking at those studies, them seem very promising. I can't really speak to specific scientific details on them, I'm no expert. I talked to a few smart guys about it and they thought things did not add up. PERHAPS, this is just a guess, it may normalize DHT levels. If you look at the participants in their trials they all had really high DHT, and then were dropped to normal range. In this case it would have no effect on someone with normal DHT levels (liek the guys who had pre and post DHT tests). But, the more likely scenario is something is wrong with their data.

[Woodyy]

Thought about Spiro cream? Sorry if it has been mentioned already but that would at least give you a proven DHT blocker that is topical. It's one of those treatments that on paper should work great but there's not many success stories on it and it's messy as hell to use.

[mpb47]

Ok , noted - I'll have a read on here about it and the experiences of those on here.

But how about the clinical studies , that show a decrease in DHT? The report is available for viewing. Unless it was just made up, it warrants some thought?

Was it published in a legit peer reviewed medical journal?
That is what I would be looking for.

I may have said this before but some of us that are concerned about sides are on a very low dose of propecia. Look at the thread started by Desmond.
He's doing .25mg 2 times a week, which is what I am doing. And he is getting some results at this low dosage.

Think about it- Instead of 1 pill lasting you 1 day, you are taking it over the course of 2 weeks. If problems do arise, you don't have a lot of the drug in your system and can back off at any time.

Too early to say if it's going to work for me, but at least no bad sides to report. I have had lots of shedding since I got on it, but that is the only thing I really noticed. Well let me correct that- when you first get on it you may feel some minor aches down below, but it should only last a day or 2. I do not know if this is true or just what, but many have said that means the drug is starting to work and is actually a good sign.