Expecting to see a NW5 get "laid off" today

[25 going on 65]

I don't care if I lacked reading the whole thread, you make it clear in your post that appearances matter at work and those who are bald will suffer as a result because they are inclined to have poor appearance?

Dude, half of my senior managers are bald?!?! What you've done is come up with some rubbish theory and decided it's true. You have no fact or proven statistic for this.

This is not some pet theory I came up with 1 day. Better looking people get preferential treatment from the opposite gender, you know this. & there are studies to confirm, I think even yeahyeahyeah on this forum has posted some

About your bald senior managers. I did go over some work scenarios where looks do not necessarily matter much....eg heterosexual men in positions of authority do not typically want to surround themselves with attractive men. Same can apply to elderly women, lesbians, women who look terrible, etc. In these cases you just need to look average or not too much worse (men who are repulsive to look at will still be screwed). Personality will still matter.
It is still better to smooth sail in a job where management/coworkers favor you just because they like seeing you in their work place. Always.
& keep in mind if you work with women in jobs like the "exception situations" I have covered, they can still put in a good word for you & this can be advantageous. So even if your boss is some bald guy or lesbian, your appearance might work in your favor

Oh I just thought of more exceptions. If you are the rare "good looking bald guy" then you still have a chance. Also, if you have friends or family in the company. If you work for a larger corp, the top guys typically used connections to get there

Surely a site like this is to look for solutions for balding, not drag people down and forever cause depression.

This section is called "hair loss rants".....people trying to feel good about balding should definitely not be here
But I have given solid advice to many posters on BTT.

I'm sorry to rant, but I felt like shit, shaved my head and life is ****ing better then it was last time, if I can do it, you can too.

My headshape/face do not work for baldness, just like most men. Hair is crucial to image for everyone except very lucky guys like Jason Statham
(who would be even luckier if he never went bald)

[Proper]

Its rough being bald. And I'm just at that age where appearances matter a lot to me.

However, my district manager is bald. His boss is bald. The five brothers who own the company and started from scratch is bald and/or is balding. Most of the employees I've seen working at other locations are bald. The only people who aren't bald are the students that they hire. Other than that, everyone bald is surviving and doesn't look like they care much about it. Most of the bald people I've talked to have great personalities and are people I would definitely chill with.

[Notcoolanymore]

One of the most successful dudes at my company is not only bald, but also cross eyed.

[25 going on 65]

Its rough being bald. And I'm just at that age where appearances matter a lot to me.

However, my district manager is bald. His boss is bald. The five brothers who own the company and started from scratch is bald and/or is balding. Most of the employees I've seen working at other locations are bald. The only people who aren't bald are the students that they hire. Other than that, everyone bald is surviving and doesn't look like they care much about it. Most of the bald people I've talked to have great personalities and are people I would definitely chill with.

This is good but also a perfect example of some of the things I said before....hard work is less than half the battle unless you are starting your own business. & bald guys like to surround themselves with other bald guys. If it was a company run by women do you think the average employee would look the same?
Also take it from me dude, you will care about your appearance longer than you might think....I will be 30 in 2 years. Still pretty much all my major social victories (job opportunities, hookups etc) come from people liking how I look, & my social failures come from someone not liking my look enough.
This world is a superficial place

One of the most successful dudes at my company is not only bald, but also cross eyed.

My guess is 1 of the following applies to him. He works for men, or women who are old or lesbians or look awful, or someone he is connected with outside the company (friend/family).
Working for a straight woman who is 18-50 when you are bald + cross eyed is like being in a potato sack race with concrete blocks on your feet. x5 if she is attractive.

[Morbo]

This thread is a bunch of bollocks.

Good looks in combination with capability can/will positively influence career opportunities. That's the only truth in here.
The rest of it is just exaggeration, combined with delusion, misogyny and pure nonsense.

These kind of threads make me angry. '25 going on 65' you're not miserable because you're (going) bald, but because you're a miserable human being, reflecting your own narrow-minded opinions on other people. You're giving balding brothers a bad name.

[Notcoolanymore]

Good looks in combination with capability can/will positively influence career opportunities. That's the only truth in here.
The rest of it is just exaggeration, combined with delusion, misogyny and pure nonsense.

This is how it really is.

[25 going on 65]

This thread is a bunch of bollocks.

Good looks in combination with capability can/will positively influence career opportunities. That's the only truth in here.
The rest of it is just exaggeration, combined with delusion, misogyny and pure nonsense.

These kind of threads make me angry. '25 going on 65' you're not miserable because you're (going) bald, but because you're a miserable human being, reflecting your own narrow-minded opinions on other people. You're giving balding brothers a bad name.

1, I am not a misogynist. 2, looking good does not just compliment ability/effort/etc in a work place....it can substitute for those things
3, I am not always miserable, but when I am it is usually hair related. Over the last 5 years my happiness pretty much directly correlates with my hair. I can go into detail later

Anyway this is rants section, I do not see why I should have to be PC? If any of you guys have experienced life from both sides of the coin, you realize how much difference your appearance (therefor hair) makes in day to day treatment (not just at work, but it is a great example since there is $ at stake)
Let me repeat something from my Scorp thread. "When a woman gets neurochem rushes just by looking at your face, all your interactions with her are colored by that." Same is true if a woman feels disturbed or disgusted by looking at a face. It is messed up but still true.

If anything people should appreciate threads like these, at least it is information you can put to practical use for improving your life. There are plenty of other guys who will be happy to tell you "this is all in your head, just think positive." I am not one of them

[Proper]

This is good but also a perfect example of some of the things I said before....hard work is less than half the battle unless you are starting your own business. & bald guys like to surround themselves with other bald guys. If it was a company run by women do you think the average employee would look the same?
Also take it from me dude, you will care about your appearance longer than you might think....I will be 30 in 2 years. Still pretty much all my major social victories (job opportunities, hookups etc) come from people liking how I look, & my social failures come from someone not liking my look enough.
This world is a superficial place

Yeah man. I think the reason why I got hired was because the employer was a women. The interview went surprisingly well despite how messed up my answers were. I even blanked out on some parts and she helped me out. SHe asked me what are three quality traits that sales people have. I fking stumbled cause I've never sold before. My first three thoughts were, strength, dependability, and HAIR. lol. I didn't say those so I sat there trying to think but the same words kept coming to my head.

Then she laughed and said so what do YOU notice when sales people approach you. I said... "ughhh, they are very social and look good?" (yes in question form, I was unsure) SHe laughed again and said, "well, I was looking for something along the lines of helpful, driven, and always looking to suggest."

After the interview, I saw a couple people waiting for it outside and they weren't as presentable as they could've been. Meaning up to par with the other employees at the store. And there were people before me. I got a call the following day. HIRED BIOTCHES!!!!! No questions asked. She just said I like you, we will be working with each other everyday so I needed someone who is "compatible." Not to sound like a narcist but what's funny is our store location has the best looking crew compared to other locations because the women did the hiring. The other stores have older, mature sales people and morbidly obese individuals but in the end, they are perfectly capable of selling great compared to us.

In the end, this is just an observation. Take what you want.

[mpb47]

This is good but also a perfect example of some of the things I said before....hard work is less than half the battle unless you are starting your own business. & bald guys like to surround themselves with other bald guys. If it was a company run by women do you think the average employee would look the same?
Also take it from me dude, you will care about your appearance longer than you might think....I will be 30 in 2 years. Still pretty much all my major social victories (job opportunities, hookups etc) come from people liking how I look, & my social failures come from someone not liking my look enough.
This world is a superficial place



My guess is 1 of the following applies to him. He works for men, or women who are old or lesbians or look awful, or someone he is connected with outside the company (friend/family).
Working for a straight woman who is 18-50 when you are bald + cross eyed is like being in a potato sack race with concrete blocks on your feet. x5 if she is attractive.

I work for a women and have never seen that happen. Well the only thing she may be guilty of is letting some of the women ramble on in meetings more than the men. Right now she is making some people mad for defending a very bald guy over incompetence. He has medical issues and they can't seem to understand that. Oh at my main branch it is primarily women. There are only 4 white guys there and all of us have a little to a lot of mpb. So you could say that they only hire men with mpb, which of course is not true, it's just that mpb is very common. In sales or the like what you say probably is true to some degree, but not in professions requiring a higher degree.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Then your work place is probably run by men, or women who are old or lesbians or far below average in appearance, or else it is 100% populated by unattractive people (I doubt you are bad looking, going by some of your stories)

Also I was not exaggerating (except apparently about him getting fired, but I would bet almost anything he will not be here this time next year). We both know you can easily tell when someone is out of favor at work, it is so obvious it can get awkward.
Admittedly his social skills are kind of bad but you can tell he is seriously trying to be likeable/friendly & as far as I am concerned he is dependable. Yet our FEMALE GM and FEMALE service manager barely acknowledge him when they come through the office. Do you think things would be the same way if he was tall & looked like Brad Pitt? Srsly imagine that for a minute. F*ck no, of course things would not be the same

You recently graduated right? You will quickly see what I am talking about, keep an eye out for this kind of behavior. In fact this is exactly the job & exactly the guy that pulled the last wool away from my eyes. This is why I have been bringing up hair re: the work place (hair is obviously just 1 component but it does matter, period)
All the stuff about hard work we hear growing up....yes you have to meet a minimum standard. But unless you have started your own business, hard work is less than half the battle. Getting your boss to like you is by far more important, by far, and if yoru boss is a woman who finds you distasteful to look at then you are basically running the rat race w/ a peg leg


goodnight, have to wake up early to style my hair & pretend to not have MPB for yet another day. Really looking forward to "another 5 years" of this

What industry do you work in? Is it media/PR?

And yes looks help, but like others I have seen so many senior guys at companies like IBM who are bald /balding. So not sure why this is an issue.

[yeahyeahyeah]

This post is pathetic, Im sorry but it is. No one will get sacked, fired, etc for being Bald from any company, it just doesn't happen!!

Most likely for poor performance based on what you've described.

A lot of CEOs are bald/balding.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Good looks in combination with capability can/will positively influence career opportunities. That's the only truth in here.

This.

OP, if your work colleague was clever he would look to change jobs. Your line managers sound awful and are not a representative of people in general (in business). As others have pointed out - many of their line managers are bald. The last interview I had with a multi national blue chip, the guy assessing me was bald. Prior to that for another large company, the interview (woman) was far from hot. But was passionate about her job. Actually more to the point I see a lot of unattractive people working for corporates.

When it comes to business, people care about one thing - money. If you are good at what you do they will want you.

Finally, that's not to say looks don't help. Of course they do, but the reality is we are losing our hair and there is nothing we can do about it. This thread just serves to remind us of that and depress us

[fred970]

the reality is we are losing our hair and there is nothing we can do about it. This thread just serves to remind us of that and depress us

FDA approved medication, FUE's, concealers, temporary SMP, maybe soon the solutions of Nigam and Mwamba etc.

Nothing we can do about it? That's just a mindless thing depressed sufferers like to say on the forums.

[25 going on 65]

Yeah man. I think the reason why I got hired was because the employer was a women. The interview went surprisingly well despite how messed up my answers were. I even blanked out on some parts and she helped me out. SHe asked me what are three quality traits that sales people have. I fking stumbled cause I've never sold before. My first three thoughts were, strength, dependability, and HAIR. lol. I didn't say those so I sat there trying to think but the same words kept coming to my head.

Then she laughed and said so what do YOU notice when sales people approach you. I said... "ughhh, they are very social and look good?" (yes in question form, I was unsure) SHe laughed again and said, "well, I was looking for something along the lines of helpful, driven, and always looking to suggest."

After the interview, I saw a couple people waiting for it outside and they weren't as presentable as they could've been. Meaning up to par with the other employees at the store. And there were people before me. I got a call the following day. HIRED BIOTCHES!!!!! No questions asked. She just said I like you, we will be working with each other everyday so I needed someone who is "compatible." Not to sound like a narcist but what's funny is our store location has the best looking crew compared to other locations because the women did the hiring. The other stores have older, mature sales people and morbidly obese individuals but in the end, they are perfectly capable of selling great compared to us.

In the end, this is just an observation. Take what you want.

YES. you get it. I have been through exactly the same interview (the part I bolded). Of course my hair was styled to hide the thinning as usual....she was 1 of 2 interviewers, the other was a guy, but you could just tell she wanted to help me through the interview & get me a job. This is at the last company I worked for
What was her facial expression/body language when you met her?

I work for a women and have never seen that happen. Well the only thing she may be guilty of is letting some of the women ramble on in meetings more than the men. Right now she is making some people mad for defending a very bald guy over incompetence. He has medical issues and they can't seem to understand that. Oh at my main branch it is primarily women. There are only 4 white guys there and all of us have a little to a lot of mpb. So you could say that they only hire men with mpb, which of course is not true, it's just that mpb is very common. In sales or the like what you say probably is true to some degree, but not in professions requiring a higher degree.

Never have you seen favortism based on appearance? I rly doubt that man. But how old is the woman you work for & how old is the guy with medical problems?
Sometimes if there is enough age difference, then the woman can take on a mothering role even if the guy looks bad (this is 10x more likely if she has sons). Also medical problems can get sympathy I will admit, unlike MPB whic his just a big joke to society

What industry do you work in? Is it media/PR?

yes

And yes looks help, but like others I have seen so many senior guys at companies like IBM who are bald /balding. So not sure why this is an issue.

Top positions in companies like that usually get filled by people w/ connections. Rarely do guys earn there way to the top of a corp like IBM, & if they do they were generally not working under women....

OP, if your work colleague was clever he would look to change jobs. Your line managers sound awful and are not a representative of people in general (in business). As others have pointed out - many of their line managers are bald. The last interview I had with a multi national blue chip, the guy assessing me was bald. Prior to that for another large company, the interview (woman) was far from hot. But was passionate about her job. Actually more to the point I see a lot of unattractive people working for corporates.

When it comes to business, people care about one thing - money. If you are good at what you do they will want you.

Finally, that's not to say looks don't help. Of course they do, but the reality is we are losing our hair and there is nothing we can do about it. This thread just serves to remind us of that and depress us

Check earlier in the thread to see examples where appearance does not matter as much, if at all. People in this thread are coming up with examples of bald/unattractive guys doing well but, they fall in the categories I have said.....ie working for men (especially bald men), or they have connections or work for women who are very old/lesbian/have low self esteem. etc
Not even business is all about money. The people you work around/with every day is a huge part of job satisfaction, in fact it can be the biggest factor if you already make enough $ to live a comfortable life

However I disagree there is nothing we can do about hair loss (see fred's post). I even made a thread in this section recently about guys who can tolerate oral DHT inhibs, but refuse them
If anything this kind of thread should push people to improve

[yeahyeahyeah]

You work in media/pr, that explains it all.

And just to get into a top corp like IBM is an achievement.

YES. you get it. I have been through exactly the same interview (the part I bolded). Of course my hair was styled to hide the thinning as usual....she was 1 of 2 interviewers, the other was a guy, but you could just tell she wanted to help me through the interview & get me a job. This is at the last company I worked for
What was her facial expression/body language when you met her?



Never have you seen favortism based on appearance? I rly doubt that man. But how old is the woman you work for & how old is the guy with medical problems?
Sometimes if there is enough age difference, then the woman can take on a mothering role even if the guy looks bad (this is 10x more likely if she has sons). Also medical problems can get sympathy I will admit, unlike MPB whic his just a big joke to society



yes



Top positions in companies like that usually get filled by people w/ connections. Rarely do guys earn there way to the top of a corp like IBM, & if they do they were generally not working under women....



Check earlier in the thread to see examples where appearance does not matter as much, if at all. People in this thread are coming up with examples of bald/unattractive guys doing well but, they fall in the categories I have said.....ie working for men (especially bald men), or they have connections or work for women who are very old/lesbian/have low self esteem. etc
Not even business is all about money. The people you work around/with every day is a huge part of job satisfaction, in fact it can be the biggest factor if you already make enough $ to live a comfortable life

However I disagree there is nothing we can do about hair loss (see fred's post). I even made a thread in this section recently about guys who can tolerate oral DHT inhibs, but refuse them
If anything this kind of thread should push people to improve