Propecia and older men, effective?

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  • Jcm800
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 2614

    #16
    Originally posted by UK_
    You guys do realise that men reach their sexual peak by 19, whereas women reach theirs by their mid-30's.

    That means most of the maximum pleasure/libido begins to suddenly decline after the age of 19.

    Women have it good, they have far longer and more powerful orgasms too. We're just shit.
    Makes sense, I was always spanking the monkey in my teens, constantly, not really arsed these days.

    Have you started fin up again yourself yet UK?

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    • UK_
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 2691

      #17
      Originally posted by Jcm800
      Makes sense, I was always spanking the monkey in my teens, constantly, not really arsed these days.

      Have you started fin up again yourself yet UK?
      I just cant bring myself to do it, I even cut the pill and held it for a minute but couldnt bring myself to down it.

      I just cant believe how garbage the last year has been in terms of progress in hair loss research.

      ...well I can, b/c every year has been more or less the same.

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      • Jcm800
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 2614

        #18
        Originally posted by UK_
        I just cant bring myself to do it, I even cut the pill and held it for a minute but couldnt bring myself to down it.

        I just cant believe how garbage the last year has been in terms of progress in hair loss research.

        ...well I can, b/c every year has been more or less the same.

        I know mate, it's a shit state of affairs.

        I'd be exactly the same as you, just think embarking on a commitment to Fin isn't the answer for me. But a nagging voice says "try it"

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        • 25 going on 65
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2010
          • 1476

          #19
          Originally posted by Jcm800
          Cheers, but that's what I'm not sure about re older guys. If I have reduced DHT now, is Fin going to reduce it so much that it's so low that sides kick in? That's my fear, age could help in that respect, not sure.
          Well I am late 20s & on dutasteride, my DHT levels are probably lower than yours will be on fin. And I am doing fine. I do not think dropping below a certain DHT level in itself is what triggers sides in some people, I think it is more that they are predisposed to suffering sides when 5-ar is suppressed

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          • Jcm800
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 2614

            #20
            Originally posted by 25 going on 65
            Well I am late 20s & on dutasteride, my DHT levels are probably lower than yours will be on fin. And I am doing fine. I do not think dropping below a certain DHT level in itself is what triggers sides in some people, I think it is more that they are predisposed to suffering sides when 5-ar is suppressed
            Thanks 25, how long have you been taking duasteride? It's crossed my mind that if I am having prostate issues my GP might even prescribe Avodart, thatd be handy. It's probably the best way to go, but you can imagine my reservations about that!

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            • 25 going on 65
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 1476

              #21
              Originally posted by Jcm800
              Thanks 25, how long have you been taking duasteride? It's crossed my mind that if I am having prostate issues my GP might even prescribe Avodart, thatd be handy. It's probably the best way to go, but you can imagine my reservations about that!
              Actually I have only been on dut for just under 4 months, probably should have mentioned that. I have been on fin more than 2.5 years and continue to take it while on dut.

              I had to go to a hair loss specialist to get Avodart, my GP knew nothing about it

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              • Jcm800
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 2614

                #22
                Originally posted by 25 going on 65
                Actually I have only been on dut for just under 4 months, probably should have mentioned that. I have been on fin more than 2.5 years and continue to take it while on dut.

                I had to go to a hair loss specialist to get Avodart, my GP knew nothing about it
                Thanks, has fin helped you, no sides in that time? Also, same Q re dut?

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                • BigThinker
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 1507

                  #23
                  Fin 4 months here. Have had two temporary sides.
                  • Prostate "ache" first couple days.
                  • At ~3 months my chest itched and felt warm for ~2 weeks


                  I can't even imagine how I would feel if I had waited any longer to start.

                  If you're going to pull the trigger at all, pull it sooner than later.

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                  • akai
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 231

                    #24
                    Originally posted by UK_
                    You guys do realise that men reach their sexual peak by 19, whereas women reach theirs by their mid-30's.

                    That means most of the maximum pleasure/libido begins to suddenly decline after the age of 19.

                    Women have it good, they have far longer and more powerful orgasms too. We're just shit.
                    You realize that is a myth, right?

                    -When discussing the idea of sexual peaks, people point to all kinds of biological evidence. One is that the levels of sexual hormones are highest for men when they are between seventeen and twenty-two, and highest for women around ages thirty-one to thirty-six. The thing of it is that the level of sexual hormones “has absolutely no correlation to the enjoyment, the activity, the frequency of sex,” according to Dr. Lee P. Shulman, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine. In other words, the physiological chemistry happening plays a very small part in one’s overall sex drive.

                    -According to Dr. Marc Goldstein of Cornell University, hormones don't decide when you hit your sexual apex. People aren't soda bottles that just reach a point of maximum pressure and then pop.


                    At 27 my libido still rages on, to the point it's almost a nuisance. I would almost welcome having it lowered a bit.

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                    • 25 going on 65
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 1476

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Jcm800
                      Thanks, has fin helped you, no sides in that time? Also, same Q re dut?
                      Fin really helped yes, reversed my diffuse thinning noticeably and then maintained. Only side I noticed was a slight change in ejaculate (sorry TMI)

                      On dut I have not been on long enough to judge the results. In fact I think the density in my hairline corners might have taken a minor hit....hopefully it is just an initial med shed and the hair will grow back stronger, otherwise it would suck. However I am pretty pleased with how my hair looks otherwise, when my BDD isn't wrecking me.
                      Have not noticed sides on dut so far except my libido seemed to increase a bit when I started. Not sure if it was a coincidence, or improved mood from knowing I was starting a stronger MPB drug, or a rise in testosterone from the drug

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                      • Ktownmatti
                        Member
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 81

                        #26
                        Hey JCM... I'm about the same age (40)... I started very very gradually losing my hair in my mid twenties and am still a NW2, but thinning to a three. I decided 7 months ago I didn't want my hair loss to progress any further so I started fin.

                        Only side I have experienced for sure is decreased ejaculate volume - but no change in libido. I haven't noticed any regrowth yet, but I decided when I started I would give it a full year before evaluating efficacy.

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                        • 25 going on 65
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 1476

                          #27
                          I would look at fin more as a maintaining drug than regrowing drug. I think the reason it reversed my situation as well as it did was because I was mostly diffuse thinning, so I had a lot of miniaturizing hairs as opposed to bare patches. It can definitely thicken up miniaturizing hairs, but advancing your hairline once the area is bare is like trying to push boulders

                          If you are trying to max your regrowth without surgery I would probably say dut+keto+minox is your best bet.

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                          • BigThinker
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 1507

                            #28
                            Originally posted by 25 going on 65
                            I would look at fin more as a maintaining drug than regrowing drug. I think the reason it reversed my situation as well as it did was because I was mostly diffuse thinning, so I had a lot of miniaturizing hairs as opposed to bare patches. It can definitely thicken up miniaturizing hairs, but advancing your hairline once the area is bare is like trying to push boulders

                            If you are trying to max your regrowth without surgery I would probably say dut+keto+minox is your best bet.
                            Man, I hope I can maintain and thicken up a bit. I never really had noticeable diffuse thing on the top and back until after I had a massive shedding phase after starting fin.

                            Still shedding a lot of sickly, miniaturized hairs though. Just have to keep after it.

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                            • Jcm800
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 2614

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Ktownmatti
                              Hey JCM... I'm about the same age (40)... I started very very gradually losing my hair in my mid twenties and am still a NW2, but thinning to a three. I decided 7 months ago I didn't want my hair loss to progress any further so I started fin.

                              Only side I have experienced for sure is decreased ejaculate volume - but no change in libido. I haven't noticed any regrowth yet, but I decided when I started I would give it a full year before evaluating efficacy.
                              Hi Ktownmatti - your hairloss history and situation seems very similar to my own.

                              I wish you all the best with your treatment plan, still on the fence personally, need to take action soon or it won't be worth it.

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                              • 25 going on 65
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 1476

                                #30
                                Originally posted by BigThinker
                                Man, I hope I can maintain and thicken up a bit. I never really had noticeable diffuse thing on the top and back until after I had a massive shedding phase after starting fin.

                                Still shedding a lot of sickly, miniaturized hairs though. Just have to keep after it.
                                Yes the hairs you shed on fin have a very strong chance of regrowing, that it a normal part of the process. Minoxidil would probably help with regrowth but it can also cause a significant early shed. Being hit with a double med shed would be stressful if you aren ot prepared for it.

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