Stem Cell HM Result, 4 month@Dr. Nigam

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  • Arashi
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 3888

    #31
    Originally posted by Boldy
    If someone points out ironmans stupidsness or troll actions that disclose his identity and goal on this forum, these posts get deleted within 48H (happend with me 5 times now.)


    This does not smell right to me... I say conflict of interests is in this game.
    Nah he deleted posts of me too (not regarding Gho, lol) and in hindsight I think it's a good thing. Let's focus on facts and constructive discussion.

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    • Arashi
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 3888

      #32
      Originally posted by Boldy
      fortunately there are more open forums, that are troll free.
      This used to be the most open forum there was. I once, in the heat of the moment, insulted IronMan with something that I wouldnt dare to repeat, but Winston didn't even delete that (IM is german and let's just say I used terminology from 70 years ago, which on pretty much any forum would result in an instant ban and rightly so, hehe). Winston just didn't delete ANTYTHING at all in the past. And that frustrated discussion a lot. Moderation IS needed to keep the forum troll free and keep discusion fruitful.

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      • bananana
        Inactive
        • Feb 2012
        • 524

        #33
        I congratulate dr Nigam on great HM results, this clearly is not the case of lighting, combover, FUE, toppik, or any trick for that matter - its clearly seeable in the photo of the back of the head, hairs are nicely growing in the right pattern and filling the scalp.

        Both photos are also taken with direct flash light. No room for manipulation here.

        These photos are genuine.

        Also it's real easy to try to discredit someone on the internet with false statements, there are many motives.
        I take everything I read with a grain of salt, especially coming from freaked out bald people (like us).

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        • drnigams
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2012
          • 551

          #34
          Banana,
          I don't worry about criticism...
          I take every criticism ..as blessing in disguise.....
          I researched on the journals and found , studies regarding rate of growth of hair shaft.hair follicle...it varies between 1cm to 2cms (rate of hair growth defers genetically,person to person,seasons,and depends on many factors and also depends on the location of hair in a single person).

          May be. in winter due to vasoconstriction,reduced blood supply, may show slower rate of growth as in cold countries compared to spring and hot conditions where the rate of growth of hair is relatively faster(many studies show that)
          It is now proven (there was also a poster on the same,at WCHR)...any injury to telogen hair,like plucking,bisection ,trauma...triggers the follicle into anagen...to repair and survive...
          Also have a look...at the finding from a study below....
          WHICH CONCLUDES THAT THE FIRST TWO WEEKS POST TRIMMING ..THE GROWTH OF HAIR IS FASTER...AND STABILIzES TO ORIGINAL RATE SUBSEQUENTLY....THIS PROVES INJURY INCREASES THE RATE OF HAIR GROWTH....contrary to normal believe before.



          The study comments...... A critical look at our data reveals that the average growth in the two weeks preceding a trim was 4mm, that the average growth in the two weeks immediately following a trim was 5.75mm, and that the average growth in the two weeks following that, was 5.50mm. The average 4-week post-trim growth rate over all four periods, then was 2.81mm/week.

          I called this patient who's pics are posted on this thread, just now ,and asked him to measure the length of the new growth on mid scalp and the normal original hair at the sides...
          He responded...1.5 inches to 1.75 inches at mid scalp.where there was very scanty thin hair before and bald scalp was visible .

          He took the first injection on first week of jan 2013...and second multiplied injection later...total 4 and a half months...even if normal hair(not stemcell activator injections) grows by 1.25cms/month as per wikipedia.
          The patient would grow ...1.25x4.5=5.625cms ...
          He also said when asked .compared to normal rate of hair growth...he saw more rapid growth immediately after...multiplied stemcell injection shot....
          It is a well known fact ...that as more and more hair research, is happening on human follicles by keeping it in culture in vitro for approx 15 to 21 days...researchers are experimenting with various supplements addition to the culture in vitro, and it's effect on hair growth and rate of hair growth or inhibition....
          There was a complete session on this subject at WCHR,2013..
          FACTORS INFLUENCING HAIR GROWTH....

          I cannot comment why we normally see.. in majority of cases of successful HM, that is those who respond well to stemcell injection... a faster hair growth in thier scalps..(may be someone can ask or study aderans..what did they see,ragards rate of hair growth)
          You must have also seen in my doubling cases...that there was no shedding ...intially..as the follicles were bisected ..hence injured...which will first grow to survive....proven in studies independently now..

          My hypothesis would be... Role of loaded dose of progenitor multiplied stemcells into the vellous hair,telogen hair...activating and growing them.
          In other cases role of growth factors,dpcells...

          Phillipot have done few studies on rate of hair follicle growth at normal culture in vitro and supplemented cultures for the first time..will ask this question to him on mail...for sure.....
          BANANANA ,THIS IS ...HOW I TRY MY BEST TO MAKE EVERY CRITICISM AS BLESSING IN DISGUISE TO IMPROVE ON MY WORK..

          I don't answer some..unless is it is constructive...otherwise certain dis-tractors...will be successful in distracting me, from my focus...as their traditional business are threatened...
          even in india...as i do more than 60% of HT work alone of mumbai with 20 million people living in the city of mumbai....,(especially since last 6 months as i announced my stemcell results in indian media) among 40 HT surgeons in mumbai alone....

          I am aware i will be attacked...especially since i announced in indian media...FUE/FUT is HISTORY...

          Originally posted by bananana
          I congratulate dr Nigam on great HM results, this clearly is not the case of lighting, combover, FUE, toppik, or any trick for that matter - its clearly seeable in the photo of the back of the head, hairs are nicely growing in the right pattern and filling the scalp.

          Both photos are also taken with direct flash light. No room for manipulation here.

          These photos are genuine.

          Also it's real easy to try to discredit someone on the internet with false statements, there are many motives.
          I take everything I read with a grain of salt, especially coming from freaked out bald people (like us).

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          • drnigams
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2012
            • 551

            #35
            JULIOGP,
            WHEN I HAVE ANNOUNCED....that...FUT/FUE IS HISTORY...what do you think ,.....will others, whose professional work will be affected...write about us...
            There is only 1 or 2 genuine patient who have dissatisfaction with us per year...we work with them and try to correct it...most of the writers on net..are competitors(without thier name disclosed)...and i always responded to them(you can check)... to contact me at my mail ...so can i do the needful...
            which service industry..even the worlds best, will not have certain comments against them..
            .Find out actual patient with real name...who is dissatisfied with us...it cannot be..except certain individuals beyond our control...

            The post you posted has been discussed before ...and every time i think a new member ..will search the google and keep posting the same thing...

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            • drnigams
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2012
              • 551

              #36
              “Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their own vision. Their goals differed, but they all had this in common: that the step was first, the road new, the vision unborrowed, and the response they received — hatred. The great creators — the thinkers, the artists, the scientists, the inventors — stood alone against the men of their time. Every great new thought was opposed. Every great new invention was denounced. The first motor was considered foolish. The airplane was considered impossible. The power loom was considered vicious. Anesthesia was considered sinful. But the men of unborrowed vision went ahead. They fought, they suffered and they paid. But they won.”

              ― Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead





              Originally posted by bananana
              I congratulate dr Nigam on great HM results, this clearly is not the case of lighting, combover, FUE, toppik, or any trick for that matter - its clearly seeable in the photo of the back of the head, hairs are nicely growing in the right pattern and filling the scalp.

              Both photos are also taken with direct flash light. No room for manipulation here.

              These photos are genuine.

              Also it's real easy to try to discredit someone on the internet with false statements, there are many motives.
              I take everything I read with a grain of salt, especially coming from freaked out bald people (like us).

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              • JulioGP
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 293

                #37
                Originally posted by drnigams
                JULIOGP,
                WHEN I HAVE ANNOUNCED....that...FUT/FUE IS HISTORY...what do you think ,.....will others, whose professional work will be affected...write about us...
                There is only 1 or 2 genuine patient who have dissatisfaction with us per year...we work with them and try to correct it...most of the writers on net..are competitors(without thier name disclosed)...and i always responded to them(you can check)... to contact me at my mail ...so can i do the needful...
                which service industry..even the worlds best, will not have certain comments against them..
                .Find out actual patient with real name...who is dissatisfied with us...it cannot be..except certain individuals beyond our control...

                The post you posted has been discussed before ...and every time i think a new member ..will search the google and keep posting the same thing...
                I hope so. Continue following the reports. Thanks for the explanation.

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                • UK_
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 2691

                  #38
                  Dr Nigam please just keep going and ignore all the negative people, I know how it feels when you really have something and nobody believes you - yesterday I posted an email directly from Gail Naughton (Histogen) and hardly anyone believed the email was real - that was until people contacted Gail and confirmed that yes the email was true!

                  Ignore the negativity and keep going! You have a mountain of people who support you!

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                  • Californication
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 134

                    #39
                    Honestly, Dr. Nigam has a lot of detractors (if you search the internet/this forum even in the past) but as an independent, unbiased guy who obviously wants him to succeed for all of us here, I don't see why he doesn't squash these naysayers by publishing a scientific study in a well-known, published journal.

                    Do your cases, collect the data professionally, and if you have something as good as you think you do, then publish it! That to me will be 100 times greater than just posting individual cases on forums (which is nice, and we all appreciate the updates I am sure).

                    If this was done, if it was official like Gho's research has been, then I guarantee you everyone and their moms would be going to India to get this done because actual hair multiplication is unheard of and this would spread like wildfire with veritable proof.

                    But until then, with past reviews of your clinics online, with your forays into selling natural spices for weight loss, with poor photography and documentation at times, you can understand, rightfully or wrongfully, the skepticism. Document many cases for a year, publish the study, and you're golden. I'm cheering for you, we all are I'm sure.

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                    • Arashi
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 3888

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Californication
                      Honestly, Dr. Nigam has a lot of detractors (if you search the internet/this forum even in the past) but as an independent, unbiased guy who obviously wants him to succeed for all of us here, I don't see why he doesn't squash these naysayers by publishing a scientific study in a well-known, published journal.

                      Do your cases, collect the data professionally, and if you have something as good as you think you do, then publish it! That to me will be 100 times greater than just posting individual cases on forums (which is nice, and we all appreciate the updates I am sure).

                      If this was done, if it was official like Gho's research has been, then I guarantee you everyone and their moms would be going to India to get this done because actual hair multiplication is unheard of and this would spread like wildfire with veritable proof.

                      But until then, with past reviews of your clinics online, with your forays into selling natural spices for weight loss, with poor photography and documentation at times, you can understand, rightfully or wrongfully, the skepticism. Document many cases for a year, publish the study, and you're golden. I'm cheering for you, we all are I'm sure.
                      Very well said !

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                      • 534623
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 1854

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Californication

                        Do your cases, collect the data professionally, and if you have something as good as you think you do, then publish it! That to me will be 100 times greater than just posting individual cases on forums (which is nice, and we all appreciate the updates I am sure).
                        Dr. Hitzig did the same just with ACell around 3 years ago and for many many month (lots of interviews and forum posts, ISHRS presentations etc etc).

                        And now?

                        Since many many month it's extremely silent around Dr. Hitzig ...

                        I guess in the meanwhile, many guys don't even know anymore who Dr. Hitzig is and what he did (and perhaps is still doing).

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                        • caddarik79
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 495

                          #42
                          Arashi, aren't you sometimes hesitating about going for your 2nd HST?
                          Aren't you tempted to wait a bit like one more year to see if there isn't something faster, better etc???
                          especially when someone like Dr Nigam seem so confident in the near future???

                          Just a question...

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                          • caddarik79
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2013
                            • 495

                            #43
                            Originally posted by 534623
                            Dr. Hitzig did the same just with ACell around 3 years ago and for many many month (lots of interviews and forum posts, ISHRS presentations etc etc).

                            And now?

                            Since many many month it's extremely silent around Dr. Hitzig ...

                            I guess in the meanwhile, many guys don't even know anymore who Dr. Hitzig is and what he did (and perhaps is still doing).

                            yes you are kind of right, but still let's be open minded...
                            Things are very simple, Gho is the champion at this moment...if another one is ready or almost ready to take the belt, it's only benefit for us...

                            I am a Gho defender (not fundamentalist, lol) but I am open to any other breaktrough treatment...

                            I did not give a penny for minox or finasteride...I have waited for something like Gho and jumped immidiately... now, I can ask you the same question I've asked Arashi, since the three of us got a first HST..

                            How do you live it? aren't you tempted to wait a bit more to see what's new before doing a second procedure?

                            I am very tempted by a second, third etc procedure... but also, have that impression that the coming months/ years are promising (might totally be wrong, I know)

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                            • UK_
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 2691

                              #44
                              Oh yeah that reminds me - any idea when Dr Hitzig will be doing his bone marrow stem cell injections he said he would have in two weeks time back in January 2011?

                              Anyone?

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                              • Arashi
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 3888

                                #45
                                Originally posted by caddarik79
                                Arashi, aren't you sometimes hesitating about going for your 2nd HST?
                                Aren't you tempted to wait a bit like one more year to see if there isn't something faster, better etc???
                                especially when someone like Dr Nigam seem so confident in the near future???

                                Just a question...
                                Very good question. Of course I've given it quite some thought and in the end I just figured, since another HST won't give me noticeable thinning in my donor and it DOES improve my hairline + density on top, then why wait ? After my 2nd HST I figure I'll be done for at least 3 years and by then, I'll see if there are any new treatments available (hopefully so).

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