Laser Therapy

[Tracy C]

.... id call laser therapy a complete HOAX.

LLLT is neither a hoax or a scam but it does not work for everyone and it does not work for men as well as it does for women.

Get on RU/CB or Fin/Dut/Avodart.

There is no good quality evidence that RU/CB are safe or effective. It's all largely here say and ridiculously poor quality "before/after" photos of guys who didn’t even have MPB to begin with. I would love to see good quality before and after photos of guys who actually have MPB and saw at least reasonably good results from RU or CB. But there are none anywhere to be found.

[hellouser]

LLLT is neither a hoax or a scam but it does not work for everyone and it does not work for men as well as it does for women.





There is no good quality evidence that RU/CB are safe or effective. It's all largely here say and ridiculously poor quality "before/after" photos of guys who didn’t even have MPB to begin with. I would love to see good quality before and after photos of guys who actually have MPB and saw at least reasonably good results from RU or CB. But there are none anywhere to be found.

Another complete lie.

IrishPride86 has results from RU that make Finasteride look like a joke. There's plenty of evidence supporting RU. You're just another FDA lacky.

[SI_DUDE]

Being prone to hair loss after a transplant is not the surgeons fault.
They usually recommend taking Fin.
Who was the surgeon?

I was not told to take Fin, or Minox after surgery, only copper peptide shampoo, which cost quite a bit. I still say I either did not get the number of transplants I was supposed to get, they did not grow or more of my own hair fell out as a result of the surgery. Let’s face it you can’t count hairs so how do you even know you got any hair at all? All I know is I never gained any hair, every surgery just seemed to maintain what I had. The scaring is defiantly not a good thing, clearly on TV ads and any consolation you will get from a surgeon they will tell you the scaring is minimal, not so, not to mention the hair below the donor area is now stretched so far the hair is thinner, and I am no longer a candidate for additional surgery, traditional surgery that is. I suppose I could still have an FUE procedure, however they are more costly and the yield (post-Surgery) is less than a conventional surgery. I do not think it is appropriate to discuss the doctors name here if you want to mail me I will tell you who it was.

[akai]

RU58841 is a compound that is used as a topical solution to stop AGA. Unfortunately it never went commercial and ultimately got scrapped. However many people (myself included) are able to purchase RU in raw powder form and dissolving it in ethanol alcohol and propylene glycol (same solution used to mix minoxidil, aka rogaine). RU's results can potentially be phenomenal but the greatest benefit from it is that side effects are far less frequent than Finasteride and far more mild thereby greatly reducing the chance of erectile dysfunction (i've yet to hear a single case of ED from RU58841).

CB is actually CB-03-01, a new compound still in clinical trials by Cosmo Pharmaceuticals which is 4X as effective as Finasteride with *zero* side effects (the goal of the new treatment was exactly that as Finasteride has castrated many men). It too is a topical solution like rogaine or RU, but outside of the lab working on it, noone knows what the vehicle is (solution used, ethanol/pg? oleyl/pg? dmi/dmso? etc.).

From the CB trials, hair density increased from 75 to around 109 grafts per cm2.

Has anyone ever posted RU before/after pictures?

[PatientlyWaiting]

Another complete lie.

IrishPride86 has results from RU that make Finasteride look like a joke. There's plenty of evidence supporting RU. You're just another FDA lacky.

TBH, RU defenders will have to come up with something new other than IrishPride, because that is the only person I see people mentioning. The guy caught his hairloss so early that finasteride and minoxidil could have given him the same results for all we know.

Other RU users claim to just have slowed down hair loss, and some complain about sexual side effects...that is exactly what fin does in some cases.

I'm not bashing RU, i'm all for it if it actually works and when it becomes available for me to use, i'd try it, definitely. It's just that this "Irishpride" guy is all RU defenders have to hold on to when speaking of RU. The guy was a slightly thin NW2 in his worst times.

[akai]

Just saw that IrishPride guy's pictures. Caught his hairloss extremely early.

[hellouser]

There is no good quality evidence that RU/CB are safe or effective. It's all largely here say and ridiculously poor quality "before/after" photos of guys who didn’t even have MPB to begin with. I would love to see good quality before and after photos of guys who actually have MPB and saw at least reasonably good results from RU or CB. But there are none anywhere to be found.

Really? You might want to look at my log:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=12390

[Tracy C]

Another complete lie.

It is not a lie. Not in any way shape or form. None of that crap you guys keep shoving in my face is good quality evidence. Absolutely none of it. I would love to see good quality evidence - but thus far there is none.

[Tracy C]

Really? You might want to look at my log:

Your log does not qualify as good quality evidence.

[Tracy C]

Has anyone ever posted RU before/after pictures?

I would love to see good quality before and after pictures of guys who actually have MPB and resolved it with RU. I have seen lots and lots of poor quality "before and after" photos of guys who do not even have MPB but claim RU has worked miracles for them. Yet there poor quality before and after pictures look exactly the same.

[hellouser]

Your log does not qualify as good quality evidence.

LOL, youre in such denial.

[greatjob!]

I would love to see good quality before and after pictures of guys who actually have MPB and resolved it with RU. I have seen lots and lots of poor quality "before and after" photos of guys who do not even have MPB but claim RU has worked miracles for them. Yet there poor quality before and after pictures look exactly the same.

Did you look at is log of RU? I am beyond a skeptic and I am curious how you think his documentation does not qualify as good quality evidence. He clearly has MPB and has clearly improved his situation using RU

[hellouser]

Did you look at is log of RU? I am beyond a skeptic and I am curious how you think his documentation does not qualify as good quality evidence. He clearly has MPB and has clearly improved his situation using RU

Well truthfully its a combination of RU and Minox, but who cares about her. It clearly works and I'm benefiting from it, I couldn't give any less of a shit if she thought it wasnt 'good quality evidence'

CB is in my regimen as well so who knows what other improvements I'll be getting. If BNP-32 works for the guys experimenting with it now as it did for the people the small study, I'm going to give it a go on my temples and hairline and kick hair loss right in the fvcking ass. Won't need surgical treatment.

BNP-32 and CB, if they work as 'advertised' should be the final two options.

[greatjob!]

Well truthfully its a combination of RU and Minox, but who cares about her. It clearly works and I'm benefiting from it, I couldn't give any less of a shit if she thought it wasnt 'good quality evidence'

CB is in my regimen as well so who knows what other improvements I'll be getting. If BNP-32 works for the guys experimenting with it now as it did for the people the small study, I'm going to give it a go on my temples and hairline and kick hair loss right in the fvcking ass. Won't need surgical treatment.

BNP-32 and CB, if they work as 'advertised' should be the final two options.

I appreciate your documentation man! Like I said I am a skeptic and up until now all I have seen is people posting "OMG x treatment regrew all my hair" with no documentation, but your hair looks a lot better. I have already had a transplant on my frontal half so if these treatments could improve my crown at all I would be on cloud nine. Please keep us updated on your progress with the new treatments.

[hellouser]

I appreciate your documentation man! Like I said I am a skeptic and up until now all I have seen is people posting "OMG x treatment regrew all my hair" with no documentation, but your hair looks a lot better. I have already had a transplant on my frontal half so if these treatments could improve my crown at all I would be on cloud nine. Please keep us updated on your progress with the new treatments.

I'll be keeping everyone updated with BNP-32. If not myself, someone else will chirp and give details. Thats definitely the most exciting thing going on right now, potentially far better than any current treatment and even all combined.