If finasteride doesnt work, does it mean Avodart also wont work??

[WarLord]

How is the only prescription oral drug FDA approved for hair loss "outdated"?

Only because Avodart has not been approved yet, due to the financial disinterest of GlaxoSmith Kline, it doesn't mean that you should use a less effective drug.

[WarLord]

Should i switch to avodart?

I explained to you all pros and cons. It is possible that finasteride will work for you. But it is practically certain that dutasteride would work even better. Well, you can do a compromise and add 1-2 dutasteride pills a week to your finasteride regime. But don't forget to watch your DHT and testosterone levels!

[ChrisM]

You are actually the obsessive idiot hurling personal insults instead of facts Warlord.

We were keeping our remarks simply onto Dutasteride and Finasteride without the personal insults and sticking to the facts.

You can't seem to do that which suggest that you an immature little brat that throws a tantrum when someone happens to disagree with him.

I advocated a sensible and reasoned process of researching which is what I did before I got on Finasteride and studied its process and why example based on the length it is your system why 1mg or 5mg upping the dosage has the same result over time. And it is what I will do should I decide to go on Avodart down the road. I never discouraged the use of anything simply there are risks and well as rewards and one must be conscious of both before any undertaking. If not you might as well be one of those impulse buying that solution for my baldness type guy pouring RU-5882244 blah blah over your head which has no scientific or clinical trials behind it whatsoever and has all manner of side effects but the desperate guys grab at it and pour it on mixing it with Everclear and Propyl Alcohol like a home chemist and have their fingers crossed.

The prostate cancer risk was put out by the FDA two years ago. Now if you have prostate cancer risk in your family such a statistic might be relevant as it affects a slim percentage of men. Erectile dysfunction is something Chrisis on the boards here can speak to as his experience with Finasteride he mentions played a specific role in his struggles.

Doing that same research yes Dutasteride is the more powerful DHT inhibitor however their is a potentially greater risk of harsher side effects including erectile dysfunction and low or non-existent ejaculation ? This is why you have to wean yourself off of Finasteride and gradually come off of it taking less and less of it in terms of dosage allowing it cycle out slowly rather than immediate cold turkey which means more than likely losing hair through a shed because the

Leaping off of one and onto another when a) 6 months is not enough time to see a damn thing whether it was Finasteride or Dutasteride makes no sense as it takes Finasteride a longer time to work well past 6 months to see anything and b) Jumping from one to the other has shown pronounced sexual side effects and well as pronounced hair loss that worsens on people from other hair loss boards post after post is nothing to ignore.

That information is easily accessible as I just showed you only some I gathered over the course of the day.

Besides your ONE table chart where is your facts of studies going to comparison of Finasteride compared with Dutasteride.

Furthermore where is your guarantee and stamp of approval right next to the FDA's that the original poster of this thread is going to be 100 percent ok once he follows what you are saying which must be absolutely right because it can't be remotely wrong at all ?

You have no guarantee of anything of that kind.


Are you a scientist or for that matter someone who works as a pharmaceutical chemist who can make such blanket statements with certainty ?

No.

Are you working as a scientist for Glaxo-Smith Kline that makes Dutasteride that you can guarantee that for every individual biochemistry of people here on this board that Dutasteride will not have significant sides or erectile dysfunction or hair loss and shed ?

No.

Until you get your facts together with evidence.. credible scientific evidence I am urging the people here to do their own research make their own determinations and ignore you and what you are saying because you obviously do not know what the **** you are talking about.

Until you do know what the **** you are talking about then please participate and spread the knowledge in this thread that could be beneficial to others. Right now you sound exactly as you are perceived as an anonymous coward over the internet who attacks people who are asleep at 5:30 am in the morning without any facts that are solid and concrete and instead goes on a ranting screed about everyone else here.

[WarLord]

My dear, this guy is apparently desperate after 6 months on finasteride. I can understand his feelings very well. And I know other guys on internet forums, who spent the whole year on finasteride and ended up deeply frustrated. If he values his hair, it is understandable that he must use the most effective drug on the market. Furthermore, he is young (24 years), which means that he has not enough time. He can play with finasteride, when he is 40 or 50 years old. But he actually doesn't have to quit finasteride; adding 1 or 2 Avodart pills a week should greatly increase his chances.

"...harsher side effects including erectile dysfunction and low or non-existent ejaculation"

LOL (Laughing-Out-Loud) What about if dutasteride caused a pimple on his nose? That would be lethal! Furthermore, do you know that pseudoherms lacking 5-AR II enzyme never get prostate cancer?

[ChrisM]

Desperation can cause people to make critical mistakes that led to irreversible damages without being properly informed. Finasteride after 6 months could not EVEN IF IT worked provide the hair gains the poster is looking for it so short an interval. That is unrealistic for even as marginally good as Finasteride claims to be. To jump onto another drug without cycling off the previous you invite problems such as the sexual side effects and pronounced hair loss in the sink that the OP does NOT want and would be very upset to have happen to him.


You have to wean yourself off of one drug before starting another medicated process. Period.


That said it is truthful that Dutasteride being the more powerful alternative of the two blocking 90 plus percent of DHT in the serum uptake of the internal biology also has greater reported and felt side effects that Finasteride. Those are facts based on clinical studies so if he wishes to go on said drug he goes into it using it with open eyes and not HOLY SHIT what happened to me after using Avodart for the first three weeks or up until a month. It is important to give someone the good and bad to give them both sides of what they are getting themselves into to provide balanced information.

The poster is in his 20's possibly a Norwood 2 - 2.5 which means time is still on his side to make the right choice.. past a Norwood 3 -4 on the scale and time will be against him he still has years 4 or 5 perhaps between now and then to for that to happen as androgenic alopecia is a gradual insidious process that happens over months and months over a process of years .

For me to get to Norwood 5 even off and on of Minoxidil and many hair regimens to keep what I have was over a 20 year period and now my hairs are coming back on my vertex and crown in a pronounced fashion even though many said hey man you are black and bald and you can pull off that look.

I just didn't want to be the next bald black guy walking down the street and so I am back to fighting it aggressively and that fight has seen results after taking Finasteride since last year July and I will be coming up on a year by this July. I informed myself before getting on that path reading and reading conscientiously until I made a balanced choice that paid off for me and I am 42 years old not 22 years old.

And that as I said paid off for me in the long run using my common sense, patience and being properly informed. After a year or so I more than likely will cycle off of Finasteride and go to Avodart. Because I researched Avodart carefully as a consumer to my satisfaction and weighed all of the pros and cons.

[baldozer]

I have been on Proscar/4 everyday for 6 months. I had no results and my hair is much worse than ever. Everybody says that I should stay at least 1 year but it didnt even slow my hair loss, if i saw a little good sign i would stay 1 year.

I am really depressed now i spend 5+ hours a day in hair loss forums. I am thinking MPB beats me..following my dad's pattern ((

I want to try avodart but i think it wont work because they work in the same mechanism. I didnt respond a DHT Inhibitor(finas) so that Avodart is also a DHT Inhibitor. Theoretically it shouldnt work.

Is my assumption right? Or should i start avodart?

You can try castration if nothing else works! I mean seriously, is hair that important that you would take such dangerous drugs as Avodart to save it.

[PatientlyWaiting]

You can try castration if nothing else works! I mean seriously, is hair that important that you would take such dangerous drugs as Avodart to save it.

What is so dangerous about it? It's FDA approved for BPH and in the short clinical trials it was showed to be more effective than finasteride for MBP. I have been using it for nearly 4 weeks[2 days away from completing 4 weeks], I am still alive, my d--k has not fallen off, I do not have ball ache, my libido has not dropped one bit.

Like finasteride, dutasteride's side effects are greatly exaggerated. I feel sorry for those who can not tolerate these drugs, but the "dangers" of these drugs are greatly exaggerated.

[ChrisM]

What is so dangerous about it? It's FDA approved for BPH and in the short clinical trials it was showed to be more effective than finasteride for MBP. I have been using it for nearly 4 weeks[2 days away from completing 4 weeks], I am still alive, my d--k has not fallen off, I do not have ball ache, my libido has not dropped one bit.

Like finasteride, dutasteride's side effects are greatly exaggerated. I feel sorry for those who can not tolerate these drugs, but the "dangers" of these drugs are greatly exaggerated.

Here is your answer to that posted from 2 years ago as per the FDA warnings on both finasteride and dutasteride.


http://newsforumforlawyers.com/2011/...t-and-proscar/

[PatientlyWaiting]

I read that when it came out.

[WarLord]

Here is your answer to that posted from 2 years ago as per the FDA warnings on both finasteride and dutasteride.


http://newsforumforlawyers.com/2011/...t-and-proscar/

Side effects of aspirine:

black, bloody, or tarry stools;

coughing up blood or vomit that looks like coffee grounds;

severe nausea, vomiting, or stomach pain;

fever lasting longer than 3 days;

swelling, or pain lasting longer than 10 days; or

hearing problems, ringing in your ears.


Damn! How can the scoundrels from FDA approve such a lethal drug?!