What is so bad about FUT transplants

[Dav7]

From a lot of the posts I'm reading on BTT, there seems to be a great stigma attached to FUT hair transplants (the scarring issue usually comes up), and I'm wondering what is really so bad about the procedure? It is a fraction of the price of FUE transplants and seems to yield good results for those who get them.

An interesting link also worth a read.

http://www.bernsteinmedical.com/hair-transplant/follicular-unit-extraction/pros-and-cons-fue/

[Tracy C]

A truly gifted surgeon can minimize the scaring to the point that it is barely detectable, if at all. The problem is too many people have gone to hacks in the past. That is where the stigma comes from. Too few are willing to look at just how good the work done by a truly gifted surgeon is.

[Dav7]

A truly gifted surgeon can minimize the scaring to the point that it is barely detectable, if at all. The problem is too many people have gone to hacks in the past. That is where the stigma comes from. Too few are willing to look at just how good the work done by a truly gifted surgeon is.

I see, thanks for the advice. Also would there be gifted surgeons of this caliber in countries like Poland and Turkey? The prices for HP's in countries such as these seems to be way less expensive than Western countries. Also, people go to other countries for cheaper operations for other faults and problems, can the same concept be applied to hair transplants, or is it generally not advisable?

[Dav7]

Here is an example

http://www.haartransplanet.de/index.php/en/prices-hair-transplantation-istanbul-turkey.html

Up to 2,000 grafts for €1650. This is more than 5 times less than what I'd be paying in a Western country. My premise would be that (a) the majority of stuff is way cheaper in countries like Turkey anyway and that (b) medical personnel are paid a fraction of what they would be in Western countries. However, is there some kind of a catch here that I'm not seeing? Is this a case of something looking and been too good to be true, or are there genuinely options that cheap available to those on currently limited budgets (student and not working)?

[drybone]

Hey Dav7

thanks for the link. Something worth considering.

FUT should be the norm as a skilled surgeon can perform this procedure now.

http://www.virginiasurgical.com/tric...donor-closure/

This means virtually no donor scar and of course the harvest is superior and the pricing will be drastically lower.

FUE still has a place, especially for small procedures where its not worth it to make a full cut. FUE can also repair linear scars if need be. FUE is also the future in terms of body hair and beard hair transplantation.

With computers and improved survival rate of the follicles , FUE for body hair will become widely popular as supplemental to scalp hair giving hope to Norwood 6 and 7 patients.

[Dav7]

Hey Dav7

thanks for the link. Something worth considering.

FUT should be the norm as a skilled surgeon can perform this procedure now.

http://www.virginiasurgical.com/tric...donor-closure/

This means virtually no donor scar and of course the harvest is superior and the pricing will be drastically lower.

FUE still has a place, especially for small procedures where its not worth it to make a full cut. FUE can also repair linear scars if need be. FUE is also the future in terms of body hair and beard hair transplantation.

With computers and improved survival rate of the follicles , FUE for body hair will become widely popular as supplemental to scalp hair giving hope to Norwood 6 and 7 patients.

Thanks for this. Just two questions if you have a bit of time, (a) can a NW 2.5+ go to a NW1 after a hair transplant, and (b) can anybody become a candidate for a HP, and if not - what would be the conditions for not been an eligible candidate?

Thanks

[PatientlyWaiting]

A truly gifted surgeon can minimize the scaring to the point that it is barely detectable, if at all. The problem is too many people have gone to hacks in the past. That is where the stigma comes from. Too few are willing to look at just how good the work done by a truly gifted surgeon is.

This is the exact problem. Those unfortunate people still linger around telling people to avoid HT's, when they didn't even go to a good doctor.

[Tracy C]

(a) can a NW 2.5+ go to a NW1 after a hair transplant, and (b) can anybody become a candidate for a HP...

Something very important to keep in mind is that most ethical hair restoration surgeons will not restore a man to a Norwood 1 hair line, unless the patient is transgendered. Doctors who will agree to do this are usually much less ethical. Doctors who are much less ethical are often much less gifted by a pretty wide margin.

[Dav7]

Something very important to keep in mind is that most ethical hair restoration surgeons will not restore a man to a Norwood 1 hair line, unless the patient is transgendered. Doctors who will agree to do this are usually much less ethical. Doctors who are much less ethical are often much less gifted by a pretty wide margin.

I see, but I don't understand why it is unethical?

[yeahyeahyeah]

Something very important to keep in mind is that most ethical hair restoration surgeons will not restore a man to a Norwood 1 hair line, unless the patient is transgendered. Doctors who will agree to do this are usually much less ethical. Doctors who are much less ethical are often much less gifted by a pretty wide margin.

Not true.

http://www.rahalhairtransplant.com/

Look at rahal's poster boy with his hair pushed up.

That is a NW1.

[Dav7]

Not true.

http://www.rahalhairtransplant.com/

Look at rahal's poster boy with his hair pushed up.

That is a NW1.

Interesting. What NW was he before the transplant that brought him down to a NW1?

[drybone]

Thanks for this. Just two questions if you have a bit of time, (a) can a NW 2.5+ go to a NW1 after a hair transplant, and (b) can anybody become a candidate for a HP, and if not - what would be the conditions for not been an eligible candidate?

Thanks

I agree with Tracy. Generally speaking a good surgeon will not try to make you a Norwood 1.

I know it sounds depressing. Is the doctor refusing just for spite? No. He will refuse because of two main factors.

Men who want a norwood 1 are usually under 30 and just want their original hairline back. Unfortunately, if the doctor does this, the patient will continue to bald behind it and eventually end up with 'Joe Biden' syndrome. Doctors need to know how bald you will become before they set expectations of a permanent hairline.

Fin and Minox can help stave off balding, but nobody knows yet if it can repel the balding forever. Its too new.

I am almost 47, and am a Norwood 3 A . Which means no crown loss just on top diffuse thinning. At my age its almost a guarantee I will never bald. So now its just a matter of how many grafts it will take to make me a norwood 1.

But I am find with some recede. I think a Norwood 2 with some recede at the temples looks mature, masculine and the ladies like it.

Just think it over.

I will post picks of good looking men with Norwood 2 with recedes on the sides if you wish.

[Dav7]

I agree with Tracy. Generally speaking a good surgeon will not try to make you a Norwood 1.

I know it sounds depressing. Is the doctor refusing just for spite? No. He will refuse because of two main factors.

Men who want a norwood 1 are usually under 30 and just want their original hairline back. Unfortunately, if the doctor does this, the patient will continue to bald behind it and eventually end up with 'Joe Biden' syndrome. Doctors need to know how bald you will become before they set expectations of a permanent hairline.

Fin and Minox can help stave off balding, but nobody knows yet if it can repel the balding forever. Its too new.

I am almost 47, and am a Norwood 3 A . Which means no crown loss just on top diffuse thinning. At my age its almost a guarantee I will never bald. So now its just a matter of how many grafts it will take to make me a norwood 1.

But I am find with some recede. I think a Norwood 2 with some recede at the temples looks mature, masculine and the ladies like it.

Just think it over.

I will post picks of good looking men with Norwood 2 with recedes on the sides if you wish.

Ok, how about a NW 1.5 then? Look I don't care about whether it will recede in future because I'd be more than willing to get another HP down the line, along with using meds/ the big 3 etc to halt some further loss. Money has nothing to do with this, I put my own personal well-being before having extra money in the bank, so if I have worked for and raised enough of my money to get the hairline I wish for, why should I be denied this given that I've saved up for such a service and am willing to undergo it?

[drybone]

Ok, how about a NW 1.5 then? Look I don't care about whether it will recede in future because I'd be more than willing to get another HP down the line, along with using meds/ the big 3 etc to halt some further loss. Money has nothing to do with this, I put my own personal well-being before having extra money in the bank, so if I have worked for and raised enough of my money to get the hairline I wish for, why should I be denied this given that I've saved up for such a service and am willing to undergo it?

Can I ask how old you are and can u put up a quick picture or two so we know what we are dealing with? There are lots of good folks on here who are trained professionals who can advise you better than I.

Post up pics of your hair and lets take a look.

[Dav7]

Can I ask how old you are and can u put up a quick picture or two so we know what we are dealing with? There are lots of good folks on here who are trained professionals who can advise you better than I.

Post up pics of your hair and lets take a look.

No, because I have a webcam that doesn't work unfortunately. Anyway, I've already gone to a clinic and they suggested NW 2.5 or thereabouts and that is good enough for me. I'm 27 years of age and have noticed receding for about 3 years now - it's particularly bad at the temples. I also have thick hair where MPB hasn't gained a foothold, also my maternal grandfather retained a good head of hair up until the age of 70, and even today at nearly 78 has a good hairline for a man of his age - I don't know if all of this makes a difference?