At the point of getting a HT...

[Jasari]

Exactly. I don't really get the argument that you shouldn't have a HT in your 20's for fear that you might lose more hair and "look weird." Just shave your head and get the stubble framing the strong hairline. Diffuse thinners do just that. Not sure where that argument came from, must be visualizing long hair in the front and no hair behind it...

Your plan pretty much mimics mine. Im 26, all frontal loss & am planning on filling in the hairline to 'buy' around 5 years with the hope that when thinning becomes apparent again I can consolidate with GHO or preferably have a treatment such as Histogen to fall back on.

I've read these hair loss forums for near on 8 years and I know that it is common place to be told that you shouldn't get transplants in your 20s but with todays treatments I honestly don't understand it. If you don't get a transplant you go bald, if you get an FUE your still going bald down the line, but you at least have a hairline to frame your face. It's not a hard choice.

The only thing I'm debating with myself is whether I get a GHO hairline and get donor regrowth, or a Rahal hairline and sacrifice donor.

[Arashi]

The only thing I'm debating with myself is whether I get a GHO hairline and get donor regrowth, or a Rahal hairline and sacrifice donor.

You can get a 'Rahal' hairline at Gho as well, I'm pretty sure. What Rahal does, is just stack a huge amount of grafts into the temples and the hairline, like this: http://www.rahalhairtransplant.com/c.../05/photo4.jpg

What Gho normally does, is also transplant to that area in between. The difference is of course that the Rahal hairline will look more dense in the following year after surgery (since you'll have more grafts/cm2 in that area). However that area in between the temples is going to be your next bald area. So, although Gho's hairline will be thinner, you are more future proof.

But if you tell them you're not interested in that area in between the temples and just stack the hairline + temples with as much as grafts a possible, like Rahal does, I don't see why they wouldn't do that for you.

Personally I think it's pretty stupid to stack just the hairline and temples with 2000 FUE grafts like that guy in the picture. You will NEED another FUE with at least again 2000 grafts in the next few years to fill up the area between the temples, and then you've lost 4k grafts in donor and dont even have anything in your crown yet or in the area between crown and the hairline.

[hellouser]

You can get a 'Rahal' hairline at Gho as well, I'm pretty sure. What Rahal does, is just stack a huge amount of grafts into the temples and the hairline, like this: http://www.rahalhairtransplant.com/c.../05/photo4.jpg

What Gho normally does, is also transplant to that area in between. The difference is of course that the Rahal hairline will look more dense in the following year after surgery (since you'll have more grafts/cm2 in that area). However that area in between the temples is going to be your next bald area. So, although Gho's hairline will be thinner, you are more future proof.

But if you tell them you're not interested in that area in between the temples and just stack the hairline + temples with as much as grafts a possible, like Rahal does, I don't see why they wouldn't do that for you.

Personally I think it's pretty stupid to stack just the hairline and temples with 2000 FUE grafts like that guy in the picture. You will NEED another FUE with at least again 2000 grafts in the next few years to fill up the area between the temples, and then you've lost 4k grafts in donor and dont even have anything in your crown yet or in the area between crown and the hairline.

This.

Completely agree and for that reason alone do I not want to go with Rahal (although his work is amazing). Its really important to make sure the future is safe for any further hair loss even if Aderans cant halt MPB or Histogen create growth factors more powerful than DHT is on the follicle; or god forbid they arent released or it takes them longer than another FUE/HST session is needed.

[hellouser]

What Rahal does, is just stack a huge amount of grafts into the temples and the hairline, like this: http://www.rahalhairtransplant.com/c.../05/photo4.jpg

How many grafts do you think are used in that photo? 2,000?

[Arashi]

How many grafts do you think are used in that photo? 2,000?

Yeah that guy got 2k grafts, see http://www.rahalhairtransplant.com/c...ir-loss-story/

[hellouser]

Yeah that guy got 2k grafts, see http://www.rahalhairtransplant.com/c...ir-loss-story/

Thats awesome! He's effectively gone down to a NW1 from what appears to be a NW3 (without thinning). I would imagine that 1,600-1,800 could bring the results quite close to that with more of a 'mature' hairline (NW0 sometimes looks funny on guys 30+)

In any case, a couple procedures with Gho at 1,800 and you could you could restore your hairline from NW3 completely at around 2k grafts and use the rest to fill in the hairline itself for density or disperse evenly across the scalp if thinning all over. Essentially thats where I'm at and would benefit GREATLY from 1 procedure and 2 would basically reverse it near completely.

[Jasari]

You can get a 'Rahal' hairline at Gho as well, I'm pretty sure. What Rahal does, is just stack a huge amount of grafts into the temples and the hairline, like this: http://www.rahalhairtransplant.com/c.../05/photo4.jpg

What Gho normally does, is also transplant to that area in between. The difference is of course that the Rahal hairline will look more dense in the following year after surgery (since you'll have more grafts/cm2 in that area). However that area in between the temples is going to be your next bald area. So, although Gho's hairline will be thinner, you are more future proof.

But if you tell them you're not interested in that area in between the temples and just stack the hairline + temples with as much as grafts a possible, like Rahal does, I don't see why they wouldn't do that for you.

Personally I think it's pretty stupid to stack just the hairline and temples with 2000 FUE grafts like that guy in the picture. You will NEED another FUE with at least again 2000 grafts in the next few years to fill up the area between the temples, and then you've lost 4k grafts in donor and dont even have anything in your crown yet or in the area between crown and the hairline.

Depends how much you want to roll the dice. I agree that 4k 'FUE' to the hairline is crazy, but if you have faith in HASCI I would definitely run the risk of dropping 4k on the hair line - Especially if you have a decent indication on your rate of hair loss.

The reason I mention rolling the dice, is that for a lot of people we are in this limbo at the moment where 'buying' 5 years could cover hair loss through to the period in which the next generation of hair loss treatments arrive.

Realistically, the only reason why a 'Rahal' type treatment is even considered as an option (to me) is due to sheer impatience. 3000 grafts would definitely 'buy' 5 years - But by the same token sacrificing 9 months and getting 2 HASCI treatments provides the exact same result with donor regrowth.

If I'm being rational though I'd say I'm more than likely going to try and get 4 straight 1800 graft treatments from GHO starting October (9months apart) to get back to a norwood 1. I guess though if documented that would be a pretty conclusive case on whether it works or not.

[hellouser]

If I'm being rational though I'd say I'm more than likely going to try and get 4 straight 1800 graft treatments from GHO starting October (9months apart) to get back to a norwood 1.

Sounds like you got deep pockets. Wanna fund a procedure for me?

[The Alchemist]

The reason I mention rolling the dice, is that for a lot of people we are in this limbo at the moment where 'buying' 5 years could cover hair loss through to the period in which the next generation of hair loss treatments arrive.

This is the big gamble that guys contemplating HT's are facing. It sucks. I keep holding off on doing anything, hoping that the picture will become more clear. But year after year passes and the picture is just as fuzzy as the year before.

At the beginning of 2012, I felt for sure we were gonna get some kind of indication of what the future would bring for hair treatments. We had acell and hair plucking, replicel, histogen, aderans, follica. 2012 came and went, i can't say i have any more confidence that one of these would come forward than i did before the year started. In fact, i have much less!

Now were 1/4 through 2013 and still know squat. I have a feeling 2014 will come up and we'll still be in the fog. Makes it impossible to pull the trigger and go for a HT or HST. In the mean time, my hair keeps falling.

What i would love to do is have Rahal or Feriduni take care of zone 1 and 2 and then use Gho's HST to do any back filling in the mid scalp and crown area, should it be needed. Only thing is, this approach would cost a sh*t ton of money; so much so, that it is probably prohibitive.

[cocacola]

@alchemist

this is the tobban thread, you can translate using chrome. His latests pics on the last page.

http://www.lookgood.se/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4544&p=11

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

wow that looks good. how many grafts he got?

@alchemist

this is the tobban thread, you can translate using chrome. His latests pics on the last page.

http://www.lookgood.se/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4544&p=11

[cocacola]

1200 i think all on hairline/temples. He did not have major hairloss to begin with, but the improvement on temples and hairline is very noticeable and its still too early for the full result.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

. how many grafts can gho do in one procedure? i mena the limit

1200 i think all on hairline/temples. He did not have major hairloss to begin with, but the improvement on temples and hairline is very noticeable and its still too early for the full result.

[Jasari]

Sounds like you got deep pockets. Wanna fund a procedure for me?

I wish lol - I've basically rationalised that driving a cheap used car with hair is better than driving a brand new car with none. I think most hair loss sufferers sit back and think of all the cool stuff they could buy if they didn't have to worry about hair loss.

[Jasari]

This is the big gamble that guys contemplating HT's are facing. It sucks. I keep holding off on doing anything, hoping that the picture will become more clear. But year after year passes and the picture is just as fuzzy as the year before.

At the beginning of 2012, I felt for sure we were gonna get some kind of indication of what the future would bring for hair treatments. We had acell and hair plucking, replicel, histogen, aderans, follica. 2012 came and went, i can't say i have any more confidence that one of these would come forward than i did before the year started. In fact, i have much less!

Now were 1/4 through 2013 and still know squat. I have a feeling 2014 will come up and we'll still be in the fog. Makes it impossible to pull the trigger and go for a HT or HST. In the mean time, my hair keeps falling.

What i would love to do is have Rahal or Feriduni take care of zone 1 and 2 and then use Gho's HST to do any back filling in the mid scalp and crown area, should it be needed. Only thing is, this approach would cost a sh*t ton of money; so much so, that it is probably prohibitive.

I think the biggest factor as to whether you pull the trigger is whether you can objectively look at your self and ask whether 'hair loss is stopping you do the things you want to do'. I know some people with hair loss that have essentially become hermits because of it.

At the end of the day if someone has the means for a HASCI treatment there isn't too much risk. Essentially a hair loss sufferer is inevitably going to go bald; HASCI just delays that time period. The worst case scenario is that it doesn't tide someone over until the next wave of treatments at which point someone would likely have to shave down - something they would have had to do anyway had they not got HASCI.