Another Gho question.

[FearTheLoss]

Assuming Gho can "multiply" or "regenerate donor"

how many grafts would a nw6 need from him to have a full head of hair? or at least the appearance of a full head of hair.

[didi]

you need 80-100 hairs per cm2, thats only 50% original density but considered enough to pull off illusion of density
with HSTs 1.35 hairs / graft you need 60-70 hst grafts per cm2 x 200-250cm2

12 000 -17500 hst grafts


of course if you are lucky enough to get 2.5 hair/graft as they advertize you ll need much less grafts

[FearTheLoss]

you need 80-100 hairs per cm2, thats only 50% original density but considered enough to pull off illusion of density
with HSTs 1.35 hairs / graft you need 60-70 hst grafts per cm2 x 200-250cm2

12 000 -17500 hst grafts


of course if you are lucky enough to get 2.5 hair/graft as they advertize you ll need much less grafts

I'm pretty sure 50 hairs per cm2 gives illusion of full density..

[hellouser]

you need 80-100 hairs per cm2, thats only 50% original density but considered enough to pull off illusion of density
with HSTs 1.35 hairs / graft you need 60-70 hst grafts per cm2 x 200-250cm2

12 000 -17500 hst grafts


of course if you are lucky enough to get 2.5 hair/graft as they advertize you ll need much less grafts

12,000-17,500 grafts is also for a complete NW6/7 as well. Keep in mind many of us are still NW2,3,4 and we'd require much less than that. For myself, im an NW3 with thinning but if I can get about 1,400 for my hairline and temples and another 3,000+ for vertex and crown to fill density, I'd be back to normal. Essentially, I'd be well off with 2 procedures at 1,800 grafts each (much like Wesley Snejder). Considering it took me 10 years to get to this stage, I wouldnt need another procedure for a long time... and by that time, Aderans or Histogen would be on the market, possibly Replicel or even a PGD2 topical treatment or better year.... Dr. Lauster work being turned into a treatment (he's already been able to culture follicles, so basically we already have a working cure).

We've got a lot to look forward to

[didi]

http://www.baldingblog.com/2012/07/2...e-100-density/


Q:
I was also wondering how many hairs per square cm you would (theoretically) need to achieve the illusion of 100% density. 50%, 75%, 90%? Generally speaking of course.


A:
'Well, if an average Caucasian male has 200 hairs per square centimeter, and 50% of this density can be perceived as normal density, you can say 100 hairs per square centimeter can achieve the fullness. But it really all depends on your hair color, skin color, hair length, hair texture, hair style, etc.

For example, if you have 100 hairs per square centimeter and you have black hair on white skin with a short, straight hair cut, it will not even look close to a fullness enjoyed by someone with 25 hairs per square centimeter, but with black hair, dark skin and long curly hair. My point is, to achieve the maximum illusion of density, it isn’t just strictly about the numbers. Hair color, character, and style are also very important factors'

[caddarik79]

what about this?

http://www.***************/hair-tran...ation-surgery/


Really, 200 hairs per cm2 seems a lot, 100 seems quite realistic.

If HST can achieve this, on a full head, that's awesome... I guess they need injection at this level of density.

[gc83uk]

I'm aware that Hasci advertise 2.5 hairs per graft somewhere, perhaps on their website? I can't remember now.

But I also seem to remember Hasci changing this to 2 hairs per graft (average of course). Can anyone confirm this? It was either in a Gho interview or forum member or perhaps on his Indonesian version of his website.

And we know Didi thinks it's closer to 1.35. Which is fine if that is the case.

To be honest even if it was 1.1 grafts. I wouldn't be too unhappy.

Hellouser also makes a good point. They have re-extracted grafts from my donor, so theoretically you can start with a 2 hair grafts in your donor of which this 2 hair grafts grows back perfectly (not always!) and in the recipient you get 1.35 each time.
So in the recipient from a 2 hair graft you have grown 2.70 hairs in the recipient.
2+2.70 = 4.7
Net growth of 2.7.

BTW this is the positive way of looking at that 1.35 figure.

I'm not denying any other theories.

edit: I'll put up all the photos which have been requested recently in the next 2 or 3 hours.

[richunter]

you need 80-100 hairs per cm2, thats only 50% original density but considered enough to pull off illusion of density
with HSTs 1.35 hairs / graft you need 60-70 hst grafts per cm2 x 200-250cm2

12 000 -17500 hst grafts

of course if you are lucky enough to get 2.5 hair/graft as they advertize you ll need much less grafts

I was wondering if I could get your take on these figures for a NW7? The way I see it, the needed number would be at least 25,000 hairs to get an NW7 back to stage 1.

I have heard a rough average of hairs on the head is 100,000. So if you start with that figure and halve it (to give the minimum number needed for the illusion of density) that gets you down to 50,000 for the whole head. Now if you assume half of that area is the permanent hairs and half the bald area, that means to fill the bald area at that density you need 25,000.

I say "at least" because I would assume the bald area on an NW7 is more than half the original area.

Actually, doing it another way I very roughly estimate the bald area could be about 20cm x 25cm = 500cm2 for my head. Times that by the 100 hairs per cm2 and you get a whopping 50,000 hairs.

I'd really appreciate people's thoughts on this.

I'm 36 yrs and probably NW4/5. Noticed receding hair in my early 20s. My mum's brothers were all NW7 by their early 50s - so I figure I'm heading in the same direction, so don't want to start down a path of treatment without really knowing what this is going to involve, or if it is possible to really achieve, in the long run.