Laser Treatment -vs- Hair Transplant

[Tracy C]

Highlander, you need to stop constantly dragging me into the mud. There is absolutely no legitimate reason for you to get so dang aggressive. I said nothing that would confuse the OP. There was no legitimate reason for you to respond to me like that. If anyone injected any confusion in the dialog it was you.

Concerning laser, you do not use it - and you never have. I do use it - and I have for several years. You have absolutely no experience with it at all - and you are completely closed minded about it. I have years of experience with it now. Since you do not use it and you have no experience with it, you are not qualified to advise anyone one way or another about it. Since I do use it, and I have for several years, and I am actively talking to others who are using it, I am far more qualified to offer reasonable advice about it than you are. The OP asked for advise about it. He deserves reasonable advice from someone who actually has experience with it - not the closed minded advice of someone who has never even tried it.

[Tracy C]

Did you even read what I posted?

The crap you write is not worth the time it takes to read it.

[Tracy C]

@Tracy. Thank you for your advice, but can you please do two things for me, (a) stop referring to as a Norwood 2.5 as been "only", and (b) insisting that a hair transplant is not necessary.

(a) It would be very difficult for me to stop using the word "only" when talking about someone who is less than a Norwood 3 - but I will try.

(b) Most ethical hair restoration doctors agree that hair transplant surgery is not appropriate for a male who is less than a Nowrood 3 and will refuse to do the surgery. There are exceptions but very few. There are darn good reasons for that. Find yourself an ethical hair restoration doctor and have a talk with them about it. From an ethical standpoint, I have to agree with the doctors. It's not that I am "insisting" anything. I simply agree with an ethical approach to hair transplant surgery.

[baldy1990]

Oh, right. I forgot that your use of a blatant scam product in uncontrolled conditions with literally no sound methodology or sample group is "sound". I forgot too that apparently reading the scientific literature that PROVES it doesn't work is invalid because I haven't gone out and spent thousands of dollars on a a bullshit product that doesn't work and has never been proven to.

You're a joke.

If it worked for Tracy how can you be so sure?

[Dav7]

(a) It would be very difficult for me to stop using the word "only" when talking about someone who is less than a Norwood 3 - but I will try.

(b) Most ethical hair restoration doctors agree that hair transplant surgery is not appropriate for a male who is less than a Nowrood 3 and will refuse to do the surgery. There are exceptions but very few. There are darn good reasons for that. Find yourself an ethical hair restoration doctor and have a talk with them about it. From an ethical standpoint, I have to agree with the doctors. It's not that I am "insisting" anything. I simply agree with an ethical approach to hair transplant surgery.

But can't I just get a hair transplant sometime now for my Norwood 2.5, and use medications etc. to hopefully prevent any further loss - and if the MPB does progress any further, I could simply get another one? I really don't give a damn about money, when I graduate I'm even expecting a good job, am good with money - and even have plans of investing in stocks, shares, property etc. So money has absolutely nothing to do with it, even it means getting another hair transplant or two down the line.

MPB is destroying my confidence - and despite what any specialist may say, MPB (even if in some individuals) below a Norwood 3 is in fact noticeable. I can see myself, my friends can see it, and worst of all - women can see it. Not only is MPB destroying my confidence, but I have gone from women thinking I'm cutish and dateable, toward been a virtual outcast for 99% of the time. And I've also shaved my head, while for the first day or two, I was a bit confused as to whether or not I would take to it, I now hate it - and feel like a completely different person, and even worse than how I was feeling about this before.

Again, I don't care if I have to get another transplant or two down the line - money is a secondary issue, with the exception of now that I'm trying desperately to find a clinic with reasonably cheap procedures given that I haven't graduated yet - but in the future when I do have money, it will always take a backseat to ridding myself of this horrible MPB.

[Dav7]

a) Anything past a NW1 is essentially considered hair loss. The "definition" of a mature hairline is very different from that of the Norwood Scale. The Norwood Scale represents a scale of Male Pattern Baldness. It can not be said that past NW3 is officially "hair loss". Anything past NW1 is hair loss by definition.

Mature hairlines are typically correlated with age and a lack of the typical M-shape present in people suffering from MPB. In other words, you'll often see very old people with hair that maybe would be considered NW2.5ish, but if you look at their actually hairline you'll notice that it's a lot more rounded than that of a NW3, where the recession is deep and pronounced. Theirs tends to bend around smoothly.

b) All hair restoration doctors will give a hair transplant on a NW1 or under. The eligibility of someone to undergo a HT is a combination of age, family history, aggressiveness of hair loss, the donor hair, and effectiveness of any current medication being taken by the patient.

Tracy is literally high on her own ignorance that she refuses to actually listen to what leading doctors are saying, nor does she read any of the studies relating to the subject (though she claims to do so).

Right now you need to look at how to stop hair loss. Then get on the appropriate meds and wait about 12-18 months to determine their effectiveness, whether you have sides, and whether this is something you'd be willing to continue for life. If all of that is fine then you are fine to get a hair transplant.

And I'll gladly prove Tracy wrong right now. Go and look on the website of Rahal, Feriduni, Feller, or Keser. Go and google them right now. I will bet you they all have examples of hair transplants on people lower than NW3.

Is Tracy really having us believe that these doctors are unethical?


Really Tracy, go **** yourself. You cause more harm than good on this forum. You come on here and tell a NW2.5, 18 year old kid that he "only has a mature hairline and to not do anything"... and lo and behold he's back six months later NW3, upset, and desperately trying to fix his situation.

You are cancer. Just leave this forum now. You're an uneducated fool.

I'm 27 btw, not 18

[Dav7]

I know that, but in I'm saying that she does this all the time to young guys coming on here. She tells them there's nothing to worry about, when they are obviously balding. Then they all come back after a while upset for not doing something earlier.

Have you used Rograine, and have you found it effective? I was advised by the Hair clinic that it wasn't too good, which is unfortunate because it seems to be very easy to come across.

[Tracy C]

But can't I just get a hair transplant sometime now for my Norwood 2.5, and use medications etc.

You need to discuss that with a hair restoration doctor. It's not about money, it's about ethics. Ethical hair restoration doctors typically will not perform hair transplant surgery for a male who is less than a Norwood 3, especially if you are younger than your 30's. There are exceptions - but very few.

You are over stating the cosmetic effect of a Norwood 2.5. I understand why but the truth is Norwoods less than 3 are really not that bad. Actually, Norwood 3 really isn't so bad even though it is pretty cosmetically significant. Depending on how old you are, treatment with medication might possibly give you some of your hair line back. Maybe enough that you won't feel that you need hair transplant surgery anymore. Surgery should always be the absolute last resort - and ethical doctors know that.

Get away from that clinic you went to that tried to sell you laser treatments and find a genuine dermatologist who specializes in treating hair loss.

[Tracy C]

Have you used Rograine, and have you found it effective?

It is in your best interest to ignore Highlander. He is not hooked up right in the head. He is also deeply wrong about me and he gets aggressive with me for no legitimate reasons. Mature intelligent people can easily see that in his texts - and the forum admins are well aware of it.

Rogaine is only appropriate if you have thinning in your vertex and/or mid-anterior areas. Rogaine does not work in the hair line for most males. Some males have even found that attempting to use Rogaine on their hair lines had made the problem worsen. You need to know that before you decide to attempt to use Rogaine on your hair line. You need to decide if you can live with the possibility that using it on your hair line might make the problem worse.

[Dav7]

I'm confused as f*** right now, think I'll just try and find a clinic - anywhere, including somewhere like Turkey that would be willing to accommodate me.