Can someone please explain Gho to me?

[jman91]

I have seen an interview and read a few threads so I know that his basic thing is to get the follicle to replicate itself giving an unlimited donor supply and I have many questions.......

Why is the Jury still out as to whether it works or not?

why can't his method be proved or disproved by now?

When should we know for sure if its legit or BS?

how long does he claim to have been doing this?

Does he deal with a lot of patients?

[Boldy]

Why is the Jury still out as to whether it works or not?
.. its simple, the transplanted hairs grow back, since they have evrything needed to create a healthy hair folicle, shown as shown in their studies. Same for the donor area, it contains the especially part dermal papilla(the seed) that will grow into new healthy hair as well. they have done various transplants with success.

why can't his method be proved or disproved by now?
its already proved, check their site, and see the studies. its the smarter way of transplant, by leaving a the (dp/seed part) behind to not losse the donor hair)..

When should we know for sure if its legit or BS?
see above.
how long does he claim to have been doing this?
.....
Does he deal with a lot of patients?
at least all the rich celebrities in the Netherlands have done a Hst there.. I don't know about the others.

[hellouser]

I have seen an interview and read a few threads so I know that his basic thing is to get the follicle to replicate itself giving an unlimited donor supply and I have many questions.......

Ok.

Why is the Jury still out as to whether it works or not?

Because people are skeptical as hell and have a hard time accepting things that are too good to be true.

why can't his method be proved or disproved by now?

It pretty much has been proved, just look at some of the photographs posted by members and their hair regenerating.

When should we know for sure if its legit or BS?

We know its legit right now.

how long does he claim to have been doing this?

Many years without a single known lawsuit, if it were a scam he'd have been sued, shut down, put out of business and have his license revoked.

Does he deal with a lot of patients?

Yes, theres a long waiting list for procedures, 6 months I think (more or less?)

[jman91]

Ok.



It pretty much has been proved, just look at some of the photographs posted by members and their hair regenerating.



We know its legit right now.

Ok guys, if we know it works, how come we haven't seen Gho make a NW7 a NW1 yet?

[baldozer]

at least all the rich celebrities in the Netherlands have done a Hst there.. I don't know about the others.

This guy needs it the most !

[hellouser]

Ok guys, if we know it works, how come we haven't seen Gho make a NW7 a NW1 yet?

It takes time... a lot of time.

Depending on head and density, Gho can harvest a maximum of 2,500 grafts per session but typically around 1,400 (apparently). This is because if too many grafts are harvest too close to eachother, regeneration doesn't happen.

Between each session Gho requires a minimum of 9 months of healing time to recover (12 months or more optimum). Suppose each session was about 1,400 grafts (typical amount that brings you back down one norwood level), then you'd need 1,400 x 7 sessions, which is 5.25 years at 9 months between sessions or 7 years at 12 months each. Then theres the cost issue; 10-15k per session. For a Norwood 7 it'd be 7 x 15k = $105,000 (assuming 2,500 grafts per 15k session, which would also give you 17,500 grafts!). However for each 1,400 session youre looking at just under $12,000, so; 12k x 7 = 84k which would give you a total of 9,800 grafts.

Its a shit ton of money for regular citizens like us and a long time too. Its taken me about 10 years to reach a NW3 level, so I'm not sure how much longer I have until I'm completely bald... IF I'm going to be completely bald (no one in my family, neither on my fathers or mothers side is bald.. which really f*cking pisses me off because why did *I* have to land on this f*cking misery?).

[didi]

OR you could go to Indonesian clinic and pay about $8000 for 1400..

7 x 8000 = $56 000 over 5 years...9800 grafts

thats the cheapest route you can do

and thats assuming your donor doesnt get depleted in meantime

[jman91]

OR you could go to Indonesian clinic and pay about $8000 for 1400..

7 x 8000 = $56 000 over 5 years...9800 grafts

thats the cheapest route you can do

and thats assuming your donor doesnt get depleted in meantime

i thought the whole point was that your donor doesnt get depleted.

im still not convinced, why are there not pics of NW7's going back to NW1's?

[didi]

i thought the whole point was that your donor doesnt get depleted.

im still not convinced, why are there not pics of NW7's going back to NW1's?

Thats what we all thought however when you look closely at GCs day 24 pic

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=11440

you will see that donor is depleted..you can analize it yourself and see GCs safe donor area looks anything but untouched,and thats only after 3000 grafts, I cant imagine GC having another 1500 or 3000 without his donor area looking like Hiroshima

its still good and clean HT but its not as great as we thought

[Vox]

you will see that donor is depleted..

Of course there is some loss. As far as I remember, no one said that the donor regenerates at 100%. The percentage is likely around 80%. So, for a 1000 grafts session you can say goodbye to 200 grafts.

[didi]

Of course there is some loss. As far as I remember, no one said that the donor regenerates at 100%. The percentage is likely around 80%. So, for a 1000 grafts session you can say goodbye to 200 grafts.

In Gcs case,Its not just 20% which didint regenerate, remember there another 40% or so(according to JJJJrs analysis) thet either regrows thinner or with less hairs.

20%(600 follicular units didnt regrow)+ another 1000 units regrew as thinner or less hairs...

[534623]

In Gcs case,Its not just 20% which didint regenerate, remember there another 40% or so(according to JJJJrs analysis) thet either regrows thinner or with less hairs.

20%(600 follicular units didnt regrow)+ another 1000 units regrew as thinner or less hairs...

Shit, and what can we do now?

[534623]

I have seen an interview and read a few threads so I know that his basic thing is to get the follicle to replicate itself giving an unlimited donor supply and I have many questions.......

In which thread or forum could you read the "unlimited donor supply" thingy?

[clarence]

Whoever is reading Hairsite will find a thread, where Dr. Nigam claims that no stem cells are actually being extracted in Gho's technique, or as he puts it:

"Dr. Gho’s technique utilized only preservative media which does not have stem cell or isolated stem cell for boosting and survival of bisected follicle & no growth factor, no stem cells were utilized. Dr. Gho claims in his website that stem cell is been extracted from the donor area and implanted in the recipient area which is false and misleading because bisected follicle unit is extracted and implanted in the recipient area.

Sure, even an idiot can see the rationale as to why Nigam would make up something like this... but I don't know, do we have the evidence to dismiss this claim? Nigam does provide us some explanation of the HST process - whether true or not - which seem consistent with his claims.

Blindly longitudinal bisection in vivo has a disadvantage since the hair follicles angles at the skin surface is different from the placement angles of the bottom part of the hair follicle with the root. Hence higher number of transected or unsuitable grafts are possible and it’s a time consuming process

By Dr. Nigam's logic, I suppose, Dr. Gho's technique is called "stem cell transplantation" by the same criteria as a FUE or FUT might be called "stem cell transplantation" (ie. also stem cells will be extracted along with tissue)? Either way, he does tend to bring up the limitations of his knowledge/imagination/whatever, e. g.

Due to patent pending neither Dr. Nigam nor Dr. Gho has not mentioned that at what level they bisect the follicle.

[Arashi]

Whoever is reading Hairsite will find a thread, where Dr. Nigam claims that no stem cells are actually being extracted in Gho's technique, or as he puts it:



Sure, even an idiot can see the rationale as to why Nigam would make up something like this... but I don't know, do we have the evidence to dismiss this claim? Nigam does provide us some explanation of the HST process - whether true or not - which seem consistent with his claims.



By Dr. Nigam's logic, I suppose, Dr. Gho's technique is called "stem cell transplantation" by the same criteria as a FUE or FUT might be called "stem cell transplantation" (ie. also stem cells will be extracted along with tissue)? Either way, he does tend to bring up the limitations of his knowledge/imagination/whatever, e. g.

How could a bisected follicle regenerate without stem cells ? Hence it's pretty evident that stem cells are transplanted as well. It's the whole basis of the Gho strategy. Bisect the follicle and each part regenerates itself, using stem cells that are not *under* the follicle, as previously expected, but next to it.