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    Quote Originally Posted by BigThinker View Post
    Funniest thing about all this is the girl was telling me I had nice hair the next morning and proceeded to touch it. I was half drunk still and wasn't put off by it at all. I think I am coming to terms with the state of my hair.
    because right now you're hair is completely fine man, if you get keep the density that's all that matters with your current hairline. obviously you need to do something to maintain that, but I wouldn't be so worried about gains.

    for me, if I can get my density back I'd be so happy I'd start jumping up and down an' throwin' candy and stuff

    If I were you I'd take the fin as long as my body allowed and not blow my hormones up with fin and dut... I understand, obviously, what it's like to lose hair but yours seriously is not bad at all and is better than a lot of people. The quality of your hair is great and it's dense. I would say you probably look your best with the messy bangs look due to your head shape, as do I. But I can't do that well anymore because my density is see through on the left side..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigThinker View Post
    Thanks, man. I could never confide with my real life friends, so it is nice to get this off my chest somewhere.

    I'm not necessarily blaming fin, but I need a little peace of mind. I'm horny less often and my orgasms aren't earth-shattering like they used to. I can't give that shit up. I've experimented with my body aggressively and it's time to experiment with the flip side of the coin.

    I just hope I get another shot at this chick when I'm off fin for a week and not brown-out drunk. It'll be a different story then.
    Regarding the side effects, are you under no illusion that these are actual physical changes/not psychological? If so, quit the drug completely and get a full blood work done - did you have a hormonal panal before taking fin?

    Remember that finasteride has a near flat dose response so 0.5mg inhibits almost the same amount of DHT as 1mg and the reduction remains low for several days.

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    Whoaaaaaa, guys. I'm not quitting indefinitely.

    I'm taking one week off -- just because. Give my body a break. See if I feel different. I'm not saying I definitively have physiological side effects.

    I've been nothing short of obsessive about treatment (never missed a dose on accident) and the state of my hair. I'm finally getting results (see pics on previous page), and I'm excited to see it get better and better.

    I'm resetting my DHT and taking lower, intermittent doses. Again, just because.

    BTW, my head itched pretty noticeably today, so I'm excited to get back on fin after a week of giving my body a break.

    Sorry for any miscommunication. I don't mean to mislead anyone to think that I got sides and that they shouldn't be on fin. I believe quite the contrary actually, at least about the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigThinker View Post
    Sorry for any miscommunication. I don't mean to mislead anyone to think that I got sides and that they shouldn't be on fin. I believe quite the contrary actually, at least about the latter.
    Oh ok, sorry. I very often skim through all these posts and fail to fully comprehend what is being said.

    Especially since you are finally getting results. Looks like the tide of the war is starting to fall in your favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahyeahyeah View Post
    “When the effects of androgens in the body are lessened, e.g. through lowering DHT or by systemic hormone receptor blockade, the body seeks equilibrium through a process called upregulation. This can take the form of increased hormone production and/or increased tissue sensitivity to the remaining hormones. The reason side effects usually gradually disappear with finasteride is probably due to such upregulation. In a small percentage of individuals, it may be that this process overshoots the mark, resulting in significant hyperandrogenicity. This is marked by such signs as greatly increased facial oil, increased pimples, and greatly elevated libido. It’s possible that in certain cases such hyperandrogenicity overcomes the hair-protective effect of, say, finasteride, though this does not appear to be the case for the vast majority of people.”
    Evidence for hyperandrogenism from fin is very flimsy, especially people having it so bad that it is worse for MPB than taking nothing

    To answer UK's post....no one has ever gone NW3-4 in 6 months from fin, who would have stayed NW2 for 5 years w/o treatments

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    Quote Originally Posted by 25 going on 65 View Post
    Evidence for hyperandrogenism from fin is very flimsy, especially people having it so bad that it is worse for MPB than taking nothing

    To answer UK's post....no one has ever gone NW3-4 in 6 months from fin, who would have stayed NW2 for 5 years w/o treatments
    Yes they can, Ive seen many people take fin at NW2 start and then after long shed they end up maintaining a NW3.

    Are you saying this doesnt happen? Do a search on HLH there are many cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK_ View Post
    Yes they can, Ive seen many people take fin at NW2 start and then after long shed they end up maintaining a NW3.
    Yes I can believe this, but a NW2 who would have stayed NW2 for 5 years w/o meds is not going to hit NW3-4 in 6 months because of finasteride

    Edit- However this brings up something on my mind lately. It does seem like hair in front of the NW2.5-3 region is so sensitive to DHT, not even meds protect it permanently. The one study where the guys on fin maintained there hair for 10 years....pretty sure all those guys were at least NW3. Some were more like NW4+
    When I read anecdotes about guys who following the typical MPB pattern, who start to lose ground on fin/dut after maintaining for years, they are usually guys who are NW1-2. & they usually are saying "I see my hair moving toward a NW3"

    wtf is happening with this? Are the temples/hairline really just that sensitive to DHT? Or is there a factor in hair loss from that region that does not exist in the NW3 area?

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    Update:

    Back on fin. I was able to "perform" this last weekend, which dismissed any concern I may have had about side effects. As previously mentioned, I'm only 0.625mg EOD for now - just because.

    Also, my minox foam came in the mail, so I'm using foam in the morning and liquid at night. My hair appears ever so slightly below baseline, but that's when it's covered in the greasy minox (which doesn't do it any favors).

    Wish I had started both these treatments earlier, as I now have a noticeable amount of regrowth at the hairline (only place I analyze myself). The regrowth is 70% thin blonde hairs, with the rest being thick dark hairs -- although they may be just naturally cycling hairs. The run-off from the liquid is even causing little blonde hairs to pop up down at my original hairline, a good inch lower than my current hairline. This stuff works.

    Finally, my shedding is almost completely stopped. I get about 1 hair per 3 aggressive "pull tests". What a relief. My advice to all: STICK OUT THE SHEDDING. IT'S WORTH IT.

    Will post pics soon, but look back a page or two to see the regrowth I'm getting.

    Regards, all.

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    If you're such a good responder to anti-androgens, why dont you go on Dutasteride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK_ View Post
    If you're such a good responder to anti-androgens, why dont you go on Dutasteride?
    I have a packet of Dr Reddys Dutas at this exact moment. I decided I hadn't given fin a sufficient opportunity and would be prematurely switching over to dut. That's why.

    I decided I'd rather go weaker anti-androgen + minox (forever) than switch to dut. I know you and handful of other dudes on this site think I'm pushing fin like it has no repercussions, but truthfully I don't to not be messing around with my hormones that much. I decided it's time to stick to what's proven and give it a sufficient chance. If I look worse in 4-5 months, I'll be poppin' dut like M&Ms.

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