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    Question Donor Densities & Safe Zone


    Below – a 33-year-old AGA patient (it’s, of course, NOT damielmillo!!):

    10 years before, the guy had a full head of hair and,
    of course, not such severe thinning in his donor area …
    Transplanting such a guy in his 20s, would have given him only a temporary benefit in the (balding) recipient area.

    damielmillo’s original –FULL SIZE- photos:
    Side: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/7/...6/DSCN0460.JPG
    Back: http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/7/...6/DSCN0395.JPG

    Anyway, when HSI doctors can’t manage to get more than 1600 HST grafts, as in damielmillo’s case,
    how many grafts can normal FUE doctors get from damielmillo’s donor area?

    Well, tell me something …
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    Default "Safe" donor areas




    SHADED AREAS ARE "SAFE" !

    The real "safe" areas are anywhere in between Dr. Unger's "safe zone" (1st pic) and Dr. Alt's "safe zone" (2nd pic) - depending on family history.
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    what if 33 yo guy in the pic harvest (by HST ) every single hair from safe donor zone,

    how many grafts would be there, 10k?

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    Quote Originally Posted by didi View Post

    what if 33 yo guy in the pic harvest (by HST ) every single hair from safe donor zone,

    how many grafts would be there, 10k?
    Today, and after around 10,000 HST extractions over the years …


    … besides a loss of around 2k grafts (20% due to telogen hairs),
    the safe zone of the 33-year-old guy would look like as the donor area of the guy on the right side.

    SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND

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    Cotsarelis: “We discovered that hair follicle neogenesis following wounding
    paralleled embryonic follicle development at the molecular level.
    The regenerated hair follicles expressed KRT17, Lef1, alkaline phosphatase,
    Wnt10b and Shh (Fig. 1i–o), which is analogous to embryonic follicles.”
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    Doing this (wounding) in such a way as Dr. Gho is doing this with HST extractions in the donor area (see pic above), is like making a “reset” or like making a “reboot” of the given number of hair follicle cycles.
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    Thumbs up

    This is a very interesting and informative thread, it highlights the fact that the safe donor zone for people who continue to NW6+ is potentially a lot smaller than is generally suggested, thanks for posting it IronMan

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    Here are 2 photos of a HST patient:

    http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7620/img4544b.jpg

    http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/63/img1784y.jpg

    These are BEFORE and AFTER photos with the same hair length (6mm).

    But which photo is the BEFORE and which photo is the AFTER photo?

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    I'm back in the chair tomorrow morning, it was originally scheduled for Tuesday, but they brought it forward one day!

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    best of luck gc

    you getting covered the remaining bald spot with 1400 grafts so you can pull off buzzed cut.

    you still wearing wig or?


    what are you going to document this time,

    focus in on recipient as donor is pretty much proven, question is how to prove it beyond reasonable doubt


    any suggestions

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    Yea didi exactly what you said. I don't think I'll pull off the buzz cut very well because I don't believe the 1400 I'm having will be thick enough over the bald area, so I'll prob shave it to the bone after a couple of weeks.

    Incase anyone is wondering I'm having it done over 2 days, so there will be plenty of opportunity to photograph at the half way point.

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    my understanding is you are going to have around 35 grafts/cm2 ,
    buzz cut will be ok provided you cut it very short, if its too long it will look a bit thin imo,

    try clippers no guard and find your sweet spot


    ask them many questions, any breakthroughs on horizon ,etc..and ask what they think abt dr nigam and his claims

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