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    I didn't know that thread existed.

    Do you think the clinics that are recommended on here by Spencer Kobren whom prescribe finasteride to their patients would do so if they thought it was going to potentially harm a large proportion of them?

    I think it would be nice to hear from the surgeons themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankJ View Post
    It's true that the pharmaceutical companies are in the business to make money, but so are the attorneys who advertise to find people who claim to have sides from Propecia. The standards of evidence that the pharmaceutical companies have to provide to ensure the safety and efficacy of they're drug is far more substantial than what an attorney has to provide to win a judgement in a lawsuit.
    Did you really just ignore my post above about Rofecoxib?

    Also, attorneys are getting on this fast. Drug sales are down, lawsuits are up. There is only one inevitable conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisdav View Post
    Do you think the clinics that are recommended on here by Spencer Kobren whom prescribe finasteride to their patients would do so if they thought it was going to potentially harm a large proportion of them?
    Even doctors with the best intentions rely on studies, but studies aren't always reliable especially when money is at stake; see Rofecoxib - one of Merck's drugs.

    Propecia is acknowledged as one of the only tools against hair loss, but the reason it is so effective is because it modifies the male hormonal system, and in ways we do not fully understand. Therein lies the problem. It is a blunt tool for a cosmetic purpose, and the risks of side effects appear to be misrepresented. Chemotherapy is another blunt tool; pretty barbaric when you read up on it, but it is effective. In future it will be regarded a primitive option, but one of the few desperate available to us right now.

    How desperate are you to keep your hair? We should all be free to roll the dice, but we deserve to know what odds we are up against.

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    To be completely fair here Chrisis has a right to his opinion as you do yours. And he is correct in that for every ten positive stories we get of Propecia reparing people's lives through restoring their hair miraculously we also hear horror stories about gyno and breast development and erectile dysfunction on a permanent or prolonged basis. In this way Propecia is like playing blackjack. The odds are there that you might gain back a lot of hair and maintain the hair you have and in some cases you might get back nothing for your efforts and in those others it jacks up your system and leaves you far worse that how you started.

    I have taken it and I have lucked out so far over a 6 month period. Can I say the same year from now or five years ? Possibly..but I have my fingers crossed.

    Now to answer your stated question my effect as been positive for six months since July and I have seen and felt hairs on my crown and vertex grow back from vellus to terminal hairs. It is not even and the scalp is showing through I am still an NW5 roughly but this gain was also attributed to Minoxidil and Nizoral acting in concert with Regenepure and Saw Palmetto at night time. I was surprised to see results so early.. and to be able to see my hariline for the first time in years having diffuse thinning on top of that.
    It has been a delight to see my children notice my hair even as toddlers and I feel younger and vital as if additional hair is now rolling back my age. When I was bald people mistoook me as younger at least 32 years old as opposed to 41 years old. With the hair coming in that I am seeing filling in all over my crown and in my vertex it might push that back to 28-29 years old with a few grey and white hairs. My hope is that with my age the low testosterone and by conversion lower DHT will mean that the fight once won will shift back to my favor until something new comes along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisis View Post
    Did you really just ignore my post above about Rofecoxib?

    Also, attorneys are getting on this fast. Drug sales are down, lawsuits are up. There is only one inevitable conclusion.
    O.K.
    What's the inevitable conclusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankJ View Post
    O.K.
    What's the inevitable conclusion?
    That Merck will eventually consider it unprofitable and stop selling it. Generic versions will remain, unless governments ban them. That we will eventually have better, safer options and Propecia will be regarded a desperate choice by people who didn't fully realise the risks involved and didn't have any other options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spex View Post
    I also fathered twins ( boy/girl) 5 years ago at first attempt and did not come off the drug at the time of conception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisis View Post
    According to studies, 96% of people should suffer no side effects. The question is, how reliable is that figure? Do you trust it enough to promote the drug to another person who may suffer irreparable damage? Sounds like a lot to have on your conscience if it transpires you're wrong.

    Claims that those who've had bad experiences "unfairly overshadow the success by a majority" can't be substantiated, especially by someone with no medical or scientific background. I mean, what exactly do you offer to back this up? Anecdotes? Gut feelings?

    I say take the drug at your own risk and let people make an informed decision. You should at least be aware that drug companies lie to profit, and Propecia is a cash cow for Merck, generating $400m profit annually.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-Pharma-c.../dp/0007350740

    Doctors and patients need good scientific evidence to make informed decisions. But instead, companies run bad trials on their own drugs, which distort and exaggerate the benefits by design. When these trials produce unflattering results, the data is simply buried. All of this is perfectly legal. In fact, even government regulators withhold vitally important data from the people who need it most. Doctors and patient groups have stood by too, and failed to protect us. Instead, they take money and favours, in a world so fractured that medics and nurses are now educated by the drugs industry.

    Patients are harmed in huge numbers.


    Finally, the main issue is sexual dysfunction as a result of damage to the male endocrine system, not fertility. Even less relevant is fertility in terms of multiple births.

    Instead of dedicating your time trying to tarnish Propecia's reputation with questionable evidence found over the internet why not try and summon the courage to go see your G.P and have some blood tests carried out so you can provide your own real evidence. I feel for you and the situation you are in but you are not even sure Propecia has caused your sexual problems, it could be psychological, as you have admitted previously that you are somewhat of a hypochondriac.

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    A lot of hair loss is technically pioneering radically in areas of biochemistry but we are in effect doing is going up against nature and pushing it back forward with a big middle finger.
    What works for one guy is bound to have side effects for another especially messing with the hormonal balance which is already in flux and adding something to it to change a verdict that was already pronounced and given from a certain time. It is a blatant generalization to say that Propecia i.e Finasteride needs to be removed from the shelves tomorrow because for all of the horror stories and the lawsuits the good have outweighed those situations in spades and furthermore it is the choice of the people to keep taking something or rather to have started taking a drug that would effect/ impact their systems in that way by free will which means however ignorant they were as to the side effect potential or otherwise or that they might not be in said percentile that they are and there is a certain amount of complicit behavior in that meaning guillt by association. If I take viagra to make my d**k hard for sexual activity with my girlfriend and it doesn't go down past 4 hours into say eight hours and it is worrisome and a medical visit must be scheduled I must then admit to the doctor that I took this drug of my own free will and this scenario happened due to that fact.

    When pharmaceutical chains sell prescription drugs on TV that have disclaimer like loose bowels, heart attack, blood clotting, onset of diabetes, stroke, dizziness and fatigue as basic side effects you think they get taken down from being sold ? No. They are still sold to whoever will buy them.
    The best you can do is to be armed in your research and do the math yourself and weigh your options and if in doing so you still get side effects well you were forewarned and you bit into the apple for curing baldness anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyJones12 View Post
    it could be psychological, as you have admitted previously that you are somewhat of a hypochondriac.
    I am not a hypochondriac and have never claimed to be one. Speculating that my side effects are psychological is nonsense too. I used this drug with an optimistic frame of mind and after 2 months my side effects were physically undeniable, so I was forced to stop.

    I also do not dedicate my time to tarnishing Propecia's reputation. This is the first time I have posted on this topic in months, and it was to correct the dangerous idea that Propecia is somehow victim of some side-effects conspiracy.

    Can you tell me about this questionable evidence I've found on the internet? What is it you'd like to question in particular? Perhaps you can form a coherent argument, instead of speculating.

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