Highlander is right

[yeahyeahyeah]

Thanks for that, you're a big help. What about any possible medical reasons? However loose they may be. I'll take anything you've got!

For why the procedure is not cosmetic?

Yeah - there are a lot of functional reasons why you should get it sorted out.

"The purpose of orthognathic surgery is to correct functional and esthetic problems that are due to underlying skeletal deformities. Why is it important to correct a bad bite? Severe malocclusion (bad bite) may cause many functional problems. You may have already experienced some of the following: inability to chew food properly which compromises digestion; speech problems; facial dysfunction characterized by headaches, joint pain, and periodontal trauma. Orthognathic surgery is also an important part of the treatment of obstructive sleep apnea."

I could never bite into apples either.

Thats why it is being done on the NHS for severe cases.

What you have to remember - the ONLY reason why you look better after this is done, because everything is where it should be 'naturally'. So ironically, it is not cosmetic surgery in its purest sense, rather, you are correcting an abnormality.

[yeahyeahyeah]

I din't know if this is something I should speak to my parents about or not. Even though I live alone and all that, I know that if there was a semi-valid reason then they would pay for all of it. They didn't hesitate to get me braces and that cost over 15k.

I think I'll go and have some consultations first before speaking with them. By the way, I'm looking at going with Prof Mommaerts in Belgium at this point. I think he's one of the best, if not the best at this kind of stuff. Have you heard of him before?

Nope. I never picked my surgeon to be honest.

If I were you - I would just get it done.

At the very least it will give you are very good smile, by having a great bite, and that is attractive. But I do think your appearance will improve. I look very different to before I had anything done. +2 on the looks scale. My friends are commenting.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Well first I need to go and talk to my dentist. My jaw/bite is not even at the moment. It looks symmetrical and everything, but when I bite down it only touches on one side, which makes chewing hard as I can only eat on one side, otherwise I'd grind my teeth.

I'm not sure if this is a dental problem or a jaw problem. Mind you it's also somewhat recent.

As much as I want to "just get it done" I don't want to live with any regrets, and am prepared to pay for the best. Of course, if my parents are the ones doing the paying that would be even better (lol).

Get this done over a hair transplant.

Looking at old photos when I was a NW0, the jaw ****ed everything up. And if anything made me rely more on my hair to look presentable.

And by the sounds of it sounds like you have a bite problem. i.e. jaw. ...If one side does not touch, it means that your bite is not in the correct position , hence you can't 'bite' properly.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Hair transplant is at the bottom of my surgery list. I'm getting this facial work done first.

Obviously you're not a doctor, but would this "bite problem" require jaw surgery?

Yes, that is how they normally fix the bites.

[Tracy C]

Highlander is literally retarded.

Retarded is not a good way to put it, but he is very sick minded - and seldom right about anything.

These are photos of people with birth defects of varying degrees. It is just wrong to use them to draw comparisons about hereditary hair loss.

[Dan26]

Guys believe what ever you'd like, but I personally know atleast half a dozen guys with shaved heads, some are even over weight, but they have decent faces and great personalities and get good looking women. So I guess what YOU can draw from this is to take care of your face first lol.

I will never try to stop you from achieve physical perfection (unless it is seriously hazardous to your health (I will also not authoritatively pontificate on your mental well being)), just want you to enjoy life in the mean time and know you still live happily if you chose to.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Retarded is not a good way to put it, but he is very sick minded - and seldom right about anything.

These are photos of people with birth defects of varying degrees. It is just wrong to use them to draw comparisons about hereditary hair loss.

Both look shit.

And I am one of them with the 'birth defect'

The jaw frames your the lower half of your face.

Your hair frames your forehead.

[Dan26]

Both look shit.

And I am one of them with the 'birth defect'

The jaw frames your the lower half of your face.

Your hair frames your forehead.

The jaw is WAY more important women are instinctively attracted that shit B

[yeahyeahyeah]

The jaw is WAY more important women are instinctively attracted that shit B

I agree with that, but a lack of hair can look crap too.

Imagine a guy like Ross from friends bald for example.

[Dan26]

I agree with that, but a lack of hair can look crap too.

Imagine a guy like Ross from friends bald for example.

Ya I agree man. I actually had people comment on my jaw when I was in my late teens saying it is more masuline and I became better looking, BUT I have a big bulbus muhfukin head and forhead so losing my hairline is a significant blow.

if only i had my brothers skull shape I would not even be on here i would shave my head like him and me an elite bald man !

[Tracy C]

And I am one of them with the 'birth defect'.

You do not have a birth defect. To compare yourself to those who actually do have a birth defect is just plain vulgar. If you are not ashamed of yourself, you should be.

[yeahyeahyeah]

You do not have a birth defect. To compare yourself to those who actually do have a birth defect is just plain vulgar. If you are not ashamed of yourself, you should be.

You are an arrogant idiot.

I am currently recovering from a broken jaw due to surgery to correct my 'birth defect'. Like the people in the first page.

[Dan26]

Instead of posting pictures of himself he posted similar scenarios to highlight the difference a procedure can make to ones look.....common now Tracy!

To the point highlander made about your views on FDA, doctors etc, i plan to write a lengthy post about that in the near future....stay tuned....

*not directed at you just my personal advice

[yeahyeahyeah]

You come across like an uneducated, know-it-all hick who refuses to acknowledge even the slightest fault. The fact you're saying yeahyeahyeah should be ashamed of himself is disgusting! If you had read anything of what he's written you'd know that for a long time he's suffered from jaw and general orthodontic problems.

For a long time I used to think people misunderstood you, and I considered you to be someone who cared about helping others. Now I've come to realise that all you care about is being right - which is precisely why you keep on posting even though nobody wants you here. You seem to divide your time nicely between calling a select few members mentally ill, and telling the rest that anything not approved by the Holy FDA is a scam and seriously dangerous.

Side note: I guess you actually believe GMO's are healthy too, right? Just ask the FDA!

You're the only one here who should be ashamed of yourself. You disgust me. I'm ****ing mad now. It's one thing to abuse me, but when you start attacking honest members of this forum you earn yourself a powerful enemy. I'd rather go NW7 for a week than read another word of bullshit spewing from your deluded mind.

I'll see you in Hell, Stacy, you c*nt.

The irony is many, not all girls I have met in my life are as self absorbed as Tracy.

They like to be right, and they like to talk about themselves all the time.

Although with Tracy, just from the way she posts, there is something not right. Seems like the above is a defense mechanism to cover her feeling of inadequacy.

[Aames]

The irony is many, not all girls I have met in my life are as self absorbed as Tracy.

They like to be right, and they like to talk about themselves all the time.

Although with Tracy, just from the way she posts, there is something not right. Seems like the above is a defense mechanism to cover her feeling of inadequacy.

You can thank YEARS of feminism and the continued feminization and abuse of men for these types of women. It's almost impossible to find a decent one in Western nations.