Highlander is right

[yeahyeahyeah]

Nothing wrong with balding as long as it suits you, where with some men it does. Strathem, vin diesel.

However Highlander has a point, it knocks points of your looks if it doesn't suit you. It messes up facial symmetry, as the hair frames the top of your face, with the jaw framing the bottom with the nose being your 'mid centre'. Beauty is about symmetry,and often these changes are subtle.

I recently had a jaw operation, my nose and jaw has changed, with the changes being 3-4 mm MAX. But god, eveything looks symmetrical and better. 2 points up looks wise (With the right hairstyle).

And I think the hardest thing for A LOT of guys losing their is knowing they can look better, but are powerless to change it.

Although Highlander has some views which I don't agree with, in regards to race, I feel people telling him that its all in his head should hold back. He is at the early stages of hairloss, and that is probably the worse because you just want to stabalise it whilst you can.

I also think ANY HT, or scientist reading this thread should get this sorted out ASAP. I can frankly say, now that I look slightly better due to my recent op, I no longer worry about hiding my jawline which I did by growing a beard. Such a weight off my shoulders. I can now be more relaxed when I socialize. (sounds familiar hairloss sufferers?)

[chrisis]

Hi yeahyeahyeah, can we see some before and after shots of your surgery?

[yeahyeahyeah]

Hi yeahyeahyeah, can we see some before and after shots of your surgery?

Dont really want to shed my identity here. But here are some good pictures:








Their profile has changed big time.

Im also sure each their confidence and self esteem has improved because they look better.

Often the changes are a few millimetres here and there, but the most important thing is facial symmetry.

[clandestine]

Highlander is literally retarded.

But sometimes right.

[Aames]

Indeed, not everyone has a face that would look good without hair framing it. Furthermore, I think rocking the shaved-head look REQUIRES you to be low bf%/muscular. Fat bald guys look like slobs and skinny bald guys look like cancer patients. And let's be honest, most men are unwilling or unable to put in the work to fully dedicate themselves to the look a la Statham, The Rock, etc.

[BigThinker]

Not even gonna front, every single one of the people in those pictures looked 1000x better post op. I do, however, think a lot of those were pretty extreme cases. But yeah, those girls went from I wouldn't even notice to couple drinks away from temporary love.

My face is actually rather asymmetrical. I think I slept on one side (left side) my entire life and it is somewhat flatter and "shorter" (if you are to look from the side, the width of the head). I noticed probably a year ago and started purposely sleeping on the other side, which felt extremely uncomfortable, because I was so used to sleeping on my left side. Again, the differences are very minimal, no one has ever said anything, I think we all notice little things like that.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Not even gonna front, every single one of the people in those pictures looked 1000x better post op. I do, however, think a lot of those were pretty extreme cases. But yeah, those girls went from I wouldn't even notice to couple drinks away from temporary love.

And herein lies the problem.

Would you give them the chance, if they never had that problem?

Clearly not. And this is what us hairloss sufferers have to contend with.

By the way, I was an extreme case. And it was a total kick in the balls when my hairline went back.

[yeahyeahyeah]

My face is actually rather asymmetrical. I think I slept on one side (left side) my entire life and it is somewhat flatter and "shorter" (if you are to look from the side, the width of the head). I noticed probably a year ago and started purposely sleeping on the other side, which felt extremely uncomfortable, because I was so used to sleeping on my left side. Again, the differences are very minimal, no one has ever said anything, I think we all notice little things like that.

Best if you don't either tbh. Cos most people are not very empathetic at all if they can sense your insecurities.

[BaldinLikeBaldwin]

I might need cosmetic surgery too in the future

just need to figure out what's wrong first

all I know something aint right with this face, so imperfect

[yeahyeahyeah]

I might need cosmetic surgery too in the future

just need to figure out what's wrong first

all I know something aint right with this face, so imperfect

Dont over do it mate.

Remember cosmetic surgery is just there to improve your existing features, rather then completely change the way you look.

[BaldinLikeBaldwin]

Dont over do it mate.

Remember cosmetic surgery is just there to improve your existing features, rather then completely change the way you look.

you are right, thank you for the advice

[yeahyeahyeah]

you are right, thank you for the advice

And just so I forget , you may feel the same mentally after you ops.

At least thats how I feel after my own operation. Thankfully, a few friends have been honest and complimenting me.

[chrisis]

Thanks for the pics yeahyeahyeah. Good transformations there. I personally feel relatively happy with my face. It's my hair that bothers me, which is why I'm set to do something about it!

[yeahyeahyeah]

A lot of those pictures looked like they had a sliding genioplasty performed / some bimaxillary protrusions corrected. I thought you didn't have that, or was I wrong?

I'm going to see a surgeon about correcting some flaws of mine. So far this is what I've worked out:

1. The important things to solve in the first operation will be my jawline/chin in profile, along with correcting a potentially minor bimaxillary protrusion (maybe the weaker chin just makes it look this way, so I'll need to speak with the doctor about this)

2. I want to change the angle and size of my nose slightly in profile, along with MAYBE making the tip a little bit smaller. I'd also like to increase the prominence of my cheekbones.

Part one will need to be the first operation I think, as based on my research changing the jawline and things can dramatically affect how your nose then looks. So it would make more sense to wait until post-op and the swelling has gone down before I go ahead and make further changes.

My main concerns coming out of post op and looking dramatically different, although that's unlikely when we're talking about work mainly affecting my appearance in profile. I think having it done in two stages too is a bit better, as when people see me for the first time they won't think much, just probably a "Well I haven't seen him in a while, and he's looking a lot better" but can't pin point exactly what has changed. Then the second operation would be a bit later and work on defining my face more, focusing on the nose and cheeks.

All of this I'm wanting to achieve without the use of implants. So that would mean things like the aforementioned sliding genioplasty. My only concerns will be how this affects things if I ever want to get revision surgery done.

1) You generally cant get a nose job until 6 months after the jaw operation because as you say the shape changes.

When they expand your upper jaw, your nose gets 1-2 mm wider.

2) Even without geinoplasty there is a visible change. In these cases the chin looks better because the bite is better e.g. if you have an underbite, the teeth slide infront of your top teeth, giving a weak hagged apperance.

3) Honestly, most people may not notice UNLESS you show them before and after photos. But there will be a few that will.

For example from the front of my face, my nose, chin jaw is very straight like a bullet.

And yeah I had a bimaxillary protrusion. My chin was off centre by 5 mm.

[yeahyeahyeah]

With the bimaxillary protrusion, your mouth has therefore been sticking out your whole life, so to speak. When they reduce the protrusion what then happens regarding the skin around the mouth and the lips? Do they need to re-adjust that?

How major was fixing your protrusion? Were you able to fix it with orthodontic work alone (braces), or did they need to cut the bone and re-adjust the entire upper- and lower-jaws?

Regarding people noticing, provided I can hide long enough during the recovery process (how long because I'm back walking around looking and talking kind of normal?), then nobody will notice. I suppose that's the advantage of living abroad where people only see me on webcam and visit maybe twice a year.

Edit: Is there any medical reason to correct a bimaxillary protrusion? If I can somehow find a reason then I won't need to pay for the operation out of my own pocket. I did also read that having a weak chin leads to a saggy face early on due to a lack of support or something. Your thoughts are welcome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prognathism3.png

Wait, I had a Mandibular prognathism and open bite.

Anyway, a few things, if say they reset your jaw bone, which is very likely if you have a bite deformity:

1) I am in my 6th week, but I am STILL swollen. They will probably make you wear rubber bands in order to keep the position of your bite which you have to change regularly, until the actual jaw bone heals.

2) You will be on liquids for a good 4 weeks. So go to the gym and work out, I have lost 14 pounds. Now , 5th - 6th week I am on soft foods.

3) Your soft tissue, skin and all of that is not really affected. It moulds around how the jaw bone is shifted. Wont worry about anything.

4) I got my operation done on the national health service, and it was free luckily, but I know if you had to pay for it you are looking at 10k.

5) Braces cannot fix deformities of the jaw, like what you described.

It can only fix teeth, and the position of it in your mouth by straightening it.

Only surgery moves the jaw around.

6) Changes to expect, better symmetry, and if they do your lower jaw - a more firmer, defined jawline.