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    was Sir Martin knighted by the same person that knighted Jimmy Savile . Did Bill Gates once say the internet wouldn't catch on......

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    I hate to point this out but Histogen, Replicel and Aderans dont need any of the current hair loss sufferers/forum people like us to use their products to make gazillions of dollars when they hit the market.

    Take histogen for example. if their 85% success rate stays that high and all they end up being able to do is increase density by 20% or hell even no density increases at all, a long as they are able to strengthen weakening hairs and halt further hairloss in the injection site for the 2 year period which I believe they have proven up to this point.

    All they need to do is come to market in 2016 or whenever and they will be such a good no side effect preventative measure that they will be as good as a cure as long as the young men and women get follow up treatments every 2-3 years until a true treatment is created.

    example.

    its 2016 and a 17 teen year old guy begins to fear he might be losing some density he could go to his doctor..have some testing done (density testing in temple and then retest every 6 months for comparison, doc looks for weakening hairs etc) if he looks to be at the very very early stages of hair loss he could just get some histogen injections and repeat every 3 years. problem solved.

    over the next 15 years he spends 10-20k on injections and never goes through what we have.

    I think that is why ironman and some others on here are so hate on at histogen because it doesnt suit their needs of addressing extreme regrowth.

    I think if you objectively and not selfishly look at histogen, they definitely are making great progress at saving people in currently ages 10 -15 yrs old from having to go through what people on here have.

    thats just my thoughts on the subject. I hope histogen and the likes can help everyone reading this one day. Hopefully all those reading this can take some comfort knowing others wont have it as bad as we did, fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAlex View Post
    Hopefully all those reading this can take some comfort knowing others wont have it as bad as we did, fingers crossed.
    not gonna help me get laid more often, on the contrary, yeah and phuck those brats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pate View Post

    Histogen have already proven they can turn vellus hairs to terminal
    No. The only fact they have proven so far is this well-known fact:


    Read more ...

    btw - in the left pic, where can you see a "vellus hair" ?
    Typical vellus hairs are NOT pigmented!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarence View Post
    not gonna help me get laid more often, on the contrary, yeah and phuck those brats
    Yeah phuck em!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 25 going on 65 View Post
    He is just trying to find ways to make Gho seem viable.
    The irony is , I felt a glimmer of hope until these cowboys started posting downplaying the treatment.

    I honestly think that histogen had good intentions with their press release, in other words they are saying:

    'look guys - we are working on something, so dont lose hope'

    Irrespective on if they are right or wrong, negative assholes like iron man and 2020 have brought the whole forum down. In the process getting balding people in a depressed state. Sometimes guys 'ignorance is bliss'

    I guess it's true what they say 'misery loves company'

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAlex View Post
    I hate to point this out but Histogen, Replicel and Aderans dont need any of the current hair loss sufferers/forum people like us to use their products to make gazillions of dollars when they hit the market.

    Take histogen for example. if their 85% success rate stays that high and all they end up being able to do is increase density by 20% or hell even no density increases at all, a long as they are able to strengthen weakening hairs and halt further hairloss in the injection site for the 2 year period which I believe they have proven up to this point.

    All they need to do is come to market in 2016 or whenever and they will be such a good no side effect preventative measure that they will be as good as a cure as long as the young men and women get follow up treatments every 2-3 years until a true treatment is created.

    example.

    its 2016 and a 17 teen year old guy begins to fear he might be losing some density he could go to his doctor..have some testing done (density testing in temple and then retest every 6 months for comparison, doc looks for weakening hairs etc) if he looks to be at the very very early stages of hair loss he could just get some histogen injections and repeat every 3 years. problem solved.

    over the next 15 years he spends 10-20k on injections and never goes through what we have.

    I think that is why ironman and some others on here are so hate on at histogen because it doesnt suit their needs of addressing extreme regrowth.

    I think if you objectively and not selfishly look at histogen, they definitely are making great progress at saving people in currently ages 10 -15 yrs old from having to go through what people on here have.

    thats just my thoughts on the subject. I hope histogen and the likes can help everyone reading this one day. Hopefully all those reading this can take some comfort knowing others wont have it as bad as we did, fingers crossed.
    Sure.

    But you seem to forget that with other companies working on this, whoever releases first will make the most amount of money. As they will develop a monopoly.

    And for anyone that releases later on they will also be under more pressure to upstage the guy who releases first in order to take the market share away from them, which means more time will be spent investing during the development phase. Unless of course it is a different treatment, by that addresses different norwood scales.

    Finally, a company like histogen is a 'bio startup', where your argument falls flat is simply down to the fact that they don't have unlimited funds during the clinical phases. Eventually they will need to make a return of investment to stay afloat and keep private investors happy. Who I don't think will be happy if the product stays in vaporware for 20 more years. If they ignore this, potential investors will lose confidence in histogen and its treatment, causing them to lose funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahyeahyeah View Post
    Sure.

    But you seem to forget that with other companies working on this, whoever releases first will make the most amount of money. As they will develop a monopoly.
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    Yes your right in a sense. That the first one to release a viable treatment will make a lot of money. But the first one to give us a 'Cure', or turn a nw7 to a nw1 will make the most money no matter when they release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smiley View Post
    Yes your right in a sense. That the first one to release a viable treatment will make a lot of money. But the first one to give us a 'Cure', or turn a nw7 to a nw1 will make the most money no matter when they release.
    This is the BIG point:

    Finally, a company like histogen is a 'bio startup', where your argument falls flat is simply down to the fact that they don't have unlimited funds during the clinical phases. Eventually they will need to make a return of investment to stay afloat and keep private investors happy. Who I don't think will be happy if the product stays in vaporware for 20 more years. If they ignore this, potential investors will lose confidence in histogen and its treatment, causing them to lose funding.
    And you boys need to be realistic, there WILL be no cure. Just an improved treatment using stemcells, overtime as the treatment is perfected than a cure will be created.

    Stemcell research is in its infancy.

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    A "cure" would be great. But, honestly, i would be happy if they came out with something that could arrest the balding process and provide some mild regrowth - maybe upgrade you a norwood level. That, plus what we have available with hair transplant technology and Gho's HST would be enough to save most from having to suffer the fate of the everlasting horsehoe.

    For guys NW4 or lower, that would practically be a cure. Use the treatment to get to a NW3 and stop further loss. Then you could go to Rahal/Feller/H&W or whomever and feel perfectly ok saying lower that mother-f'er and make it straight and dense.

    I don't think this type of approach is out of reach, and could be available within next 5 years from Histogen. Maybe Aderans is having luck - they certainly are putting a lot of money into it and that they're moving to phase III is very, very encouraging.

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