Hair treatment for MPB in teenagers

[Illusion]

Well, I had an appointment with my dermatologist yesterday... It was a bit 'meh' but then again, I don't really know what I hoped for since he couldn't do a lot either. He said that when I turn 18, which is in a year and a couple of months, I could make another appointment to get my finsateride prescribed (him giving me a prescription of proscar would be covered by insurance).

I didn't like the guy. The way he talked about fin was way too laconic. I asked him about the sides which I'm worried about, esp since I would be starting fin at a very young age. He said that he had read stories online in which fin destroyed the lives of (young) men (think of a random propeciahelp story) but he literally said that the sexual sides they were experiencing were all psychological problems ("it's all inside their heads"). The only problems, according to him, was an increased chance of breast cancer in males and. He also noted that the chance of prostate cancer decreased, but if a fin user got developed prostate cancer he was more likely to develop a more aggressive form of prostate cancer.

He also used to prescribe fin to women and said it had good results, but he had to stop prescribing it to them because he wasn't allowed to do it anymore at a certain point (probably when they discovered that it could be very dangerous for women to take fin).

So basically this dermatologist was pro-fin. It's kind of nice to hear a professional so optimistic about fin, but on the other hand it's also scary. I know for sure that IF I get sides from fin, I sure as hell won't have to go to this dermatologist because he's going to blame it on something other than fin.

He also said that doing bloodwork (hormones) before starting fin was not necessary. I asked him about this because, like I said in post #9, if I would experience bad, long lasting sides, it would be easier to do something against it. He answered with "you don't have to get your blood tested, it won't harm your liver." I asked again, clearly stating that I was asking because of possible sexual sides. He then replied with "Like I just said, sexual 'sides' are all in your head." Great.

On my way back home I asked my dad (a pharmacist and a NW7 since his ~30th) what he thought of me starting fin when I would turn 18. He replied with "It's like using a cannon to kill a fly. Just think it through properly if you are ever going to start this."

I forgot to ask my dermatologist about starting minox or nizoral. I kind of regret that, but on the other hand there would not have been much new stuff he could've told me about those things.

So I have a lot of time to decide whether I'm going to start fin on my 18th or not. The more I read about fin, the more I don't want to take it. Maybe it's just me being paranoid, I don't know... On the other hand, going bald starts to look worse and worse in my eyes (not how being bald looks but I mean going bald itself). Maybe I should look into experimental drugs or something... Problem is that it might not work and that it's pretty expensive (and I'm just a 16 y/o high school student, so I don't have a lot of money).

I wish I was less shallow than I am right now and just had the courage to go bald. There are a lot of things that are worse than going bald, still I make a big deal out of it. If I could choose between being a NW1 untill my 80th or never worrying about going bald (but still going bald) and being bald ever again, I would instantly pick the second option. It's just much more worth to have that confidence and insight (in some way I find that word very suiting) than having a full head of hair the rest of your life. But like I said, I guess I'm just a bit shallow and insecure.

Sorry for the long and unorganised post. Even if nobody reads it, it's nice to vent once in a while. I'm probably starting regenepure soon. Not because I have high hopes of regenepure stopping my hairloss, but because I hope it'll make my hair feel & get a bit thicker. Right now it feels a bit thin and I'm noticing it gets harder to style it because of that.


Good luck 'fighting' to all you guys out there

[Illusion]

About the above post... maybe "shallow" and "insecure" aren't the right words to describe how I feel about me not wanting to go bald... I just don't know. Lets just say that puberty and its insecurities + balding =/= a good combination

[Kudu]

Dude, I know exactly how you feel, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to bald, it sucks balding at the age we are. But I'm on the fence about taking fin too, I keep thinking that most likely won't get sides but it's hard to weigh the risks for the benefits. I'm a NW 3 but my hair loss is pretty slow, so I keep procrastinating until I'm afraid I'll lose what I have. I grow a pretty good beard that helps and I style my hair so it doesn't look that bad right now. Do you catch any crap for balding? I have before, but most of the people our age that I'm around don't really care that much. My only problem is that I don't look near as good without hair. Best of luck man

[Illusion]

Dude, I know exactly how you feel, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to bald, it sucks balding at the age we are. But I'm on the fence about taking fin too, I keep thinking that most likely won't get sides but it's hard to weigh the risks for the benefits. I'm a NW 3 but my hair loss is pretty slow, so I keep procrastinating until I'm afraid I'll lose what I have. I grow a pretty good beard that helps and I style my hair so it doesn't look that bad right now. Do you catch any crap for balding? I have before, but most of the people our age that I'm around don't really care that much. My only problem is that I don't look near as good without hair. Best of luck man

What are the main risks of fin you fear? Because I fear the sexual sides, but I'm also afraid of ****ing with my development as a male. Sure, you can get fin legally prescribed when you turn 18 but that doesn't mean it's advisable to take it when you're 18. I've seen people on fora claiming that starting with fin before you're 21 y/o is prob a bad idea b/c of development of your body.

Now I don't exactly know how DHT influences your growth process (note that, when saying growth, I'm not necessarily talking about height and weight but also about possible development of face characteristics and things like penis growth (I have no idea if these things are actually influenced by DHT but just to name some things)) but I recently found an article that's all about DHT and its functions in the body (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/reform8.htm). It's a pretty complex article with a few concepts I can't really get my head around (yet), but I'll look into this subject a bit more in the near future.


My balding is not visible yet since it only started a couple of months ago (well, that's when I first noticed so it might have been going on for somewhat longer but not a whole lot longer I guess). My hairline hasn't really receded yet (I'm like a NW1,5 atm) but I'm diffuse thinning all over the top of my head. When I'm in the light, you can already see the U-pattern a bit. Also, I'm shedding like 250 hairs a day so that's really a good sign I guess. But because of my hairline still being the same as it used to be, nobody knows that I'm going bald except for the people I told it to. Therefore I don't really get any crap... But I'm pretty sure that if I don't take action soon, my hairline will take a hit or I'll get a very thin crown.

Have you ever thought of using RU? I've read mixed stories about it but still, might be worth giving a try?

[burtandernie]

In a few years you might be able to stop MPB with CB so its really a battle against time if its going slow waiting is always an option because your not going to wake up bald tomorrow its a very slow process most of the time anyways so a few years in some cases isnt a big deal.

[Kudu]

What are the main risks of fin you fear? Because I fear the sexual sides, but I'm also afraid of ****ing with my development as a male. Sure, you can get fin legally prescribed when you turn 18 but that doesn't mean it's advisable to take it when you're 18. I've seen people on fora claiming that starting with fin before you're 21 y/o is prob a bad idea b/c of development of your body.

Now I don't exactly know how DHT influences your growth process (note that, when saying growth, I'm not necessarily talking about height and weight but also about possible development of face characteristics and things like penis growth (I have no idea if these things are actually influenced by DHT but just to name some things)) but I recently found an article that's all about DHT and its functions in the body (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/reform8.htm). It's a pretty complex article with a few concepts I can't really get my head around (yet), but I'll look into this subject a bit more in the near future.


My balding is not visible yet since it only started a couple of months ago (well, that's when I first noticed so it might have been going on for somewhat longer but not a whole lot longer I guess). My hairline hasn't really receded yet (I'm like a NW1,5 atm) but I'm diffuse thinning all over the top of my head. When I'm in the light, you can already see the U-pattern a bit. Also, I'm shedding like 250 hairs a day so that's really a good sign I guess. But because of my hairline still being the same as it used to be, nobody knows that I'm going bald except for the people I told it to. Therefore I don't really get any crap... But I'm pretty sure that if I don't take action soon, my hairline will take a hit or I'll get a very thin crown.

Have you ever thought of using RU? I've read mixed stories about it but still, might be worth giving a try?

I'm worried about everything from my beard development (which is filling in nicely) to sexual side effects. Prostate shrinkage, gyno, penile shrinkage, brain development... All that scared the hell out of me! But I had to cut my hair really short yesterday which really shows the baldness and now I'm really motivated to do something. I'm really wanting to try RU, but trying to convince my parents to go along with me applying an experimental drug isn't exactly easy haha. But to me it's a helluva lot better than finasteride, from what I've read anyway. But I have a decent amount of cash so I may go for it in the next few weeks. By the way, you're a lot smarter than I was, when I first noticed my hairline, I was in compete denial. I kept asking people I was close to if I were balding, every time the answer was no. My hairline kept going back for another two years and here I am, still THINKING about doing something...

[Notcoolanymore]

Maybe I should look into experimental drugs or something...

Yes, because the experimental stuff is the safest. RU is a good choice. Of the 3 guys that use it, they all seem to be having great success with no sides.


On the serious note. The treatment choices we have suck. If you are truly losing your hair you only have two choices: 1) get on proven treatments or 2) Go Bald.

[burtandernie]

RU sounds good I mean its topical right? If the topical is absorbed (No one knows) then your looking at the same or worse sides as finasteride or it just doesnt absorb or work at all and you just go bald like normal. I think those are pretty likely in comparison to it works perfect with no problems and stops MPB completely

[Illusion]

I'm worried about everything from my beard development (which is filling in nicely) to sexual side effects. Prostate shrinkage, gyno, penile shrinkage, brain development... All that scared the hell out of me! But I had to cut my hair really short yesterday which really shows the baldness and now I'm really motivated to do something. I'm really wanting to try RU, but trying to convince my parents to go along with me applying an experimental drug isn't exactly easy haha. But to me it's a helluva lot better than finasteride, from what I've read anyway. But I have a decent amount of cash so I may go for it in the next few weeks. By the way, you're a lot smarter than I was, when I first noticed my hairline, I was in compete denial. I kept asking people I was close to if I were balding, every time the answer was no. My hairline kept going back for another two years and here I am, still THINKING about doing something...

I feel you man, I have the same feeling about the possible development issues. Sexual sides weren't even my main concern tbh. I was also scared of my sperm becoming less fertile in the long run but things like that might be just me seeing things. About RU... I'm very likely to start with RU in the next few weeks. I'll open up a thread by then, so be sure to follow me and my progress (which i hope is there)! Have you started with RU since? I know it can be hard to convince your parents, maybe you can ask a friend who's 18 y/o or an older brother if he can buy it for you. I know it might not be the easiest thing to do (lying to your parents about it AND telling someone you're going on a pretty expensive treatment for MPB) but it might be worth it.

And lol at you saying I'm smart. I'm just paranoid as hell about my appearance :P. Though I'm feeling that my attitude is getting slightly better over time, so that's a good thing.

Yes, because the experimental stuff is the safest. RU is a good choice. Of the 3 guys that use it, they all seem to be having great success with no sides.

On the serious note. The treatment choices we have suck. If you are truly losing your hair you only have two choices: 1) get on proven treatments or 2) Go Bald.

But I could try, no? maybe I'll end up wasting a lot of money, maybe I'll end up with a big confidence boost. I don't know either. But I do want to find out. I don't want to look back in a couple of years and think "shit, why didn't I start with RU?" Obvioulsy, the flipside of this is that if RU would be very harmful to me after all, I'm going to regret this decision for life. And that's the one thing I hate so much about this treatment: even though the safety of it sounds pretty good (non-systematic, no serious (short-term) sides reported and if they were reported, they went away quickly because it was in your body for only a few days max) but it's all bro-science.

So yes, you're right. It's experimental which means it's not necessarily safe nor effective. But I want to try this. On a side note, regarding the bolded part: it seems that many people doubt I'm actually losing my hair. Why is that? My GP and dermatologist both told me it was MPB, I can see a lot of hairs falling out each day and my hair is definitely thinner on top of my head (slightly diffuse thinning). No, it's not really visible yet but the fact is that it has started already. Now is the perfect time to start doing something about it.

RU sounds good I mean its topical right? If the topical is absorbed (No one knows) then your looking at the same or worse sides as finasteride or it just doesnt absorb or work at all and you just go bald like normal. I think those are pretty likely in comparison to it works perfect with no problems and stops MPB completely

regarding the bolded part: even though it kind of looks like you're comparing RU to topical fin, I think you're somewhat right. But even reducing (not completely stopping) the rate at which I'm losing hair it would be great. By the way, even if it was a miracle compound like some people say it is, it has a lot more problems than just its effectiveness or safety. Storage can be quite a bitch (the powder has to be stored in a freezer in order to be stable for a long time) and getting a good batch is sometimes a problem too, although I heard things that Kane is pretty reputable (note that I say pretty, not ZOMG KANE HAZ 100% PURE RU!!1!).

[Illusion]

visited a specialised clinic last week and the doctors advised dutasteride. Talked for a while with them and told them I would rather start with finasteride than dutasteride. They eventually agreed, saying that dutasteride would be a back-up plan for when the results with finasteride wouldn't be satisfying enough. So i got the prescription for 1,0 mg finasteride every day. I'm glad I can finally do something about it. I sometimes question if I indeed should have taken the opportunity to start with DUT right away, but I feel more comfortable side-effect wise with taking finasteride first. I was kind of surprised though that they prescribed dutasteride as a first line treatment (instead of fin). They said my baldness was in the early stages, so I figured fin would be sufficient... Besides, I recently turned 17 and I'm not exactly sure about taking DUT this early.

So I'm going to take fin for the next year and see what the results are. I'll have another appointment at that clinic in a year. I hope fin will thicken my hair up but if not, I can always hop on dut which feels pretty reassuring. I'll upload pictures from time to time. I do have to say that it's mainly my density that is the problem and not my hair line, so progress (or the opposite) might not always be easily visible)