what do people on this site need for a cure?

[CAlex]

Im just curious where most people on here consider for a personal cure. Obviously a real cure would either prevent hair-loss from ever occurring or regrow any lost hair but thats a long ways off imo.

So im curious what you guys and girls are reasonable expecting from histogen, aderans, follica, replicel? what regrowth per cm2 would you personally need to be "cured" (satisfied)

Due to how much hostility and just childish bickering have stopped really following the second to second goings on in this world lol so im out of the loop i guess.
If any of these companies is able to produce a density of 30 new hairs per cm2 I think I would be done with all the forums and rejoin society lol

based on all the info on these companies does that % seem on the low end, the reasonable expectations or never gonna happen side of things?

[Scoots]

For me, it would either be:

1) 50% of original density, which gives the illusion of a full head of hair

or

2) enough regrowth that in combination with a hair transplant will give 50% density

I'm sure others will have a different opinion, but this would effectively be a "cure" in my eyes.

[Tracy C]

A true "cure" would immunize hair follicles from the damaging effects of DHT. Once that is achieved, the rest will follow. Since we now know that hair follicles do not die, once they are immunized from DHT they can more eaily be repaired and restarted because you are no longer fighting against the effects of DHT. Attempting to do this without immunization is going to be a very steap uphill battle.

[UK_]

A true "cure" would immunize hair follicles from the damaging effects of DHT. Once that is achieved, the rest will follow. Since we now know that hair follicles do not die, once they are immunized from DHT they can more eaily be repaired and restarted because you are no longer fighting against the effects of DHT. Attempting to do this without immunization is going to be a very steap uphill battle.

That's not true, castration doesnt regenerate hair - immunizing hair follicles against DHT wont help those at NW4,5,6,7 etc - how do you expect to "repair" the damage done to the existing follicles? I can tell you now, your own body wont give a shit - dont listen to all the Follica research nonsense about "existing stem cells in the scalp" - Follica act like they've found the cure ever 3 years or so, come out in the media waving their arms about & then retreat back into their offices where they're probably all sitting around watching porn.

A cure [holy grail] is exactly what it says on the tin, it's an affordable safe treatment that grows new sustainable limitless amounts of hair.

To the OP, the following website is a great resource to help in the quest for answers for such enigmatic enquiries:

http://www.giyf.com/

PS...anyone know where RichardDawkins has gone?

[jman91]

A true "cure" would immunize hair follicles from the damaging effects of DHT. Once that is achieved, the rest will follow. Since we now know that hair follicles do not die, once they are immunized from DHT they can more eaily be repaired and restarted because you are no longer fighting against the effects of DHT. Attempting to do this without immunization is going to be a very steap uphill battle.

i though hair follicles die, however the cells that produce them do not

[CAlex]

I find it sad that the person with the most posts on here would be more positive and helpful. UK is just a defeated windbag whos only joy in life is forums like this and trying to get a rise out of people.

He again didnt answer anything or give anything even remotely constructive. just decided to bash Tracy's post and then.

I didnt realize google would be able to tell me whats inside the people on this forums heads but thanks. I didnt ask what the companies were predicting but rather what members here thoughts were.

I cant get mad because uk is too far gone.

[WillhasWill]

I agree with Tracy that a real cure would be immunization. Though, I'm not sure I agree that reactivating the dormant follicles of long term sufferers of baldness would be easy.

Though, solving the cause of the problem is the hardest part and once this is complete and immunization is possible then surely it will be much easier job to work on reactivating dormant follicles. Plus, millions of people will benefit from the prevention and halting of hair loss. And in theory all future generations.

For me at my stage, my personal ideal cure would be immunization to halt baldness.

I think the actual real cure of anything would be to go right to the genes that make hair loss possible. Though baldness is very common there are many people who do not experience any signs of it even at the age of 70+. They must still have similar levels of DHT and hair follicles would have been exposed to a lot of it throughout their life but their genes allow their hair follicles to be resistant to it. So it's possible

[gutted]

I find it sad that the person with the most posts on here would be more positive and helpful. UK is just a defeated windbag whos only joy in life is forums like this and trying to get a rise out of people.

He again didnt answer anything or give anything even remotely constructive. just decided to bash Tracy's post and then.

I didnt realize google would be able to tell me whats inside the people on this forums heads but thanks. I didnt ask what the companies were predicting but rather what members here thoughts were.

I cant get mad because uk is too far gone.

well...what hes saying is true??

castration does not cure baldness, immunizing follicles against dht would probably result in less overall body hair growth and scalp hair growth (including frontal/crown and back and sides)

i think these hairloss companies or another not for profit organisation needs to pump some money into research, rather than "regenerate" hair, the body is fully capable of regenerating hairs on its own, it does this after every telogen cycle.

in thinning hair, something is inhibiting its regeneration. (no, not dht...)

[CAlex]

go nw1 or go home! Simple as dat' homie!

\wow you only consider one of these current contenders or a future company that can give full original density and nw1 to be a cure/success?

Im wondering how many people have that mentality because it sure would explain the tirades after replicels latest report. Scorpion those are some serious expectations my friend.

[Pate]

I'm with Scoots. 50% of original density is my target.

There is a difference between an effective treatment and a cure. Ideally I would like a cure - to be able to be a NW2 with full density - but I recognise that is almost certainly going to come too late for me.

If I can get 50% of original density with Histogen, and then a drug like CB-03-01 or ASC-J9 to protect both my regrown hair and my original hair, then I will consider my hairloss battle won.

I'm not even that bothered if it doesn't regrow my slick-bald NW3 area, as long as I get 50% on my NW6 area. Then if I want I could get FUE to get to NW2, although to be honest I'm not even really bothered about NW3. One of the reasons my hair loss progressed as far as it did was because I absolutely didn't give a toss when I was a NW3, so I never bothered treating it until it progressed to NW4+.

[Davey Jones]

\wow you only consider one of these current contenders or a future company that can give full original density and nw1 to be a cure/success?

Im wondering how many people have that mentality because it sure would explain the tirades after replicels latest report. Scorpion those are some serious expectations my friend.

Hell, I'm surprised Scorpion didn't say it had to bring him to NW 0.5 with twice his original denisty to count. Though I have to agree with him in a way. I wouldn't give something such a gracious name as "cure" until it gave back every hair that I lost. But to answer the question, I'd be perfectly happy with 50% density, with even a heavily "mature" looking hairline.

Personally, I liked the receded hairline look. I thought it looked distinguished. And in nerdier moods, I thought it looked like Vegeta. I'm lookin' closer to Krillian since I started shaving, but that's fine for now. As long as I look like some DBZ character, eh? So yeah, I'd totally settle for that (50% with even a high hairline) and be very happy, but I wouldn't quite call it a "cure."

[UK_]

I agree with Tracy that a real cure would be immunization. Though, I'm not sure I agree that reactivating the dormant follicles of long term sufferers of baldness would be easy.

Though, solving the cause of the problem is the hardest part and once this is complete and immunization is possible then surely it will be much easier job to work on reactivating dormant follicles. Plus, millions of people will benefit from the prevention and halting of hair loss. And in theory all future generations.

For me at my stage, my personal ideal cure would be immunization to halt baldness.

I think the actual real cure of anything would be to go right to the genes that make hair loss possible. Though baldness is very common there are many people who do not experience any signs of it even at the age of 70+. They must still have similar levels of DHT and hair follicles would have been exposed to a lot of it throughout their life but their genes allow their hair follicles to be resistant to it. So it's possible

Immunization isnt the "holy grail".... did you miss my post? - are we discussing what we define as the holy grail or just throwing in more ideas of what an ideal next step in the fight against hair loss would be?... im confused, according to the original post its the former so why would immunization be the holy grail to someone who's a NW2 onward? You're forgetting probably 90% of the balding population - how is that the "holy grail"??? How does one "immunize" a hair follicle against DHT?.... any suggestions??? ANYONE?? It's like trying to immunize your liver against Vitamin A.

The "holy grail" is am umbrella term that also includes people suffering from AA and AU... not just MPB - how will "immunization" help those people?

[Tracy C]

That's not true, castration doesnt regenerate hair...

Castration does not immunize hair follicles from the damaging effects of DHT. If that were the case, women would not suffer with hereditary hair loss. Yet women do suffer with it as well as men.

You are not looking at the whole picture. I do not know why you are so narrow minded but you need to step back and look at all the pieces of the puzzle instead of just one or two pieces.

[25 going on 65]

I wouldn't normally condone this, but he should consider using some of his widow's peak as donor for his temples.

[Tracy C]

Immunization isnt the "holy grail".... did you miss my post?

Did you miss the title of this thread?