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  • hellouser
    Senior Member
    • May 2012
    • 4423

    Dermarolling Community Trial

    As a result of the recent dermarolling study (found here and discussed here), a crossforum trial has been proposed to attempt to emulate and enhance the results of the study. Members of the private forums and public forums are free to join in and the results will be made public on every forum, regardless of participation. If you are interested in participating, please let me know.

    Participation minimally requires a 1.5mm dermaroller and an agreement to take monthly photos. You may have any current treatment regimen, but before joining the trial you must provide your detailed regimen. Participation does not require a membership to any private forum.

    You will be given detailed instructions on how to use the dermaroller including how often, pressure, time for injury and ideal model of roller according to one of the researchers on the study who has been contacted.

    The trial groups will be as follows:

    A. Dermarolling + Minox (Study Control)
    B. Dermarolling + PGE2 Daily + Minox
    C. Dermarolling + PGE2 Daily + minox + PGD2 inhibitor (OC-Ethanol higher dose than previously used)

    Within the PGE2 and PGD2 inhibitors use will be various concentrations. Each group was designed based on past studies demonstrating the role of PGE2, FGF9 and PGD2 in wounding induced neogenesis. For those unfamiliar, the team behind Follica have demonstrated that elevated levels of PGD2 inhibit the promotive effects of wounding and that the overexpression of FGF9 results in three to four times improved results in vivo. PGE2 is known to induce FGF9 over a 24 hour period in a bell response curve.

    PGE2 and PGD2 will be purchased from Kane.

    If interested please say so. Further, indicate which trial group you are interested in and any drugs you are currently taking. As stated, this is a trial being undertaken for the whole hair loss community not any one single forum. The results will be made publicly available per the organizers intentions.

    Dermarollers are relatively cheap, between $10-20 on eBay. It would also be beneficial if members willing to take part in the trial posted their dermaroller as well.
  • huawei
    Member
    • Jun 2013
    • 85

    #2
    I'll join in however I'll be starting propecia in conjunction with minox and nizoral next week as well. So maybe add a group E for outliers doing their own thing.

    I'll be sure to give it a go on my hair line at least.

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    • HARIRI
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 469

      #3
      This is an interesting video about Microneedles and Minoxidil on You Tube:-

      Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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      • Borealis
        Member
        • Mar 2013
        • 90

        #4
        I'll be using Minoxidil 5% twice a day except for the day I use the dermaroller. Nothing else is in my regimen.

        I use Regaine 5% Foam and this dermaroller:

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        • doke
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 1475

          #5
          Interesting i have restarted the dermoroller with my new topical and oral regrime which i have stopped using scalpmed due to cost and now on topical 5% minoxidil+antiandrogen+sucralfate 5% and avodart 0.5mgs a day as im getting some regrowth with scalpmed but the cost is way too high and 5% sucralfate does offer regrowth for mpb.

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          • doke
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 1475

            #6
            try this link http://www.follacure.com/t/sucralfate

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            • doke
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2009
              • 1475

              #7
              [QUOTE=doke;136617]try this link [url]http://www.follacure.com/t/sucralfate this is the trial of sucralfate for alopecia and mpb

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              • Knockin on NW4
                Member
                • Jul 2012
                • 82

                #8
                be sure to use at least a 1.5mm roller. expect blood and pain! i used a 1mm with minox for a few months and noticed little to no improvement. There is nothing new about derma rolling, this study just gives us some guidelines to follow. and their reults were phenomenal.


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                • stilltrying
                  Junior Member
                  • Jul 2013
                  • 16

                  #9
                  I will probably use this in combination with Minoxidil, but the chance is high that I will also add finasteride within a month. Otherwise I would gladly participate. I love the idea, even though it's always hard to make sure people are not using other methods. I would only recommend to also include a group for those who are only on Minoxidil and are not interested in adding the dermaroller.

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                  • Knockin on NW4
                    Member
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 82

                    #10
                    in that video, the guy doesnt understand how wounding works, positive results are not from increased absorption, but from the natural expression of growth factors post wounding. thats why u need to wait at least 5-7 days between wounding sessions.

                    Pge2 increases fgf9 expression wich allows for folicle neogenesis post wounding. without pge2 or minox, wich increases pge2 , folicle neogenesis cant occur, just scarring that can inhibit growth. This is essentially Follica's method.


                    yes rolling increases absorption, but that isnt the goal of this trial. thats why they did not apply minox 24hr after wounding in the study, to rule out increased absorption being the cause of regrowth. and u MUST wait at least five days bewteen roll sesions for the body to express these growth factors .


                    ps 1mm is too short , ive tried this, go with 1.5 or 2mm, no pain no gain. unless u incorporate topical lidocaine before wounding

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                    • Conpecia
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 911

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Knockin on NW4
                      in that video, the guy doesnt understand how wounding works, positive results are not from increased absorption, but from the natural expression of growth factors post wounding. thats why u need to wait at least 5-7 days between wounding sessions.

                      READ THIS STAYTHICK. this is another reason why you shouldn't dermaroll more than once a week bud.

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                      • StayThick
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 624

                        #12
                        Knockin...what has been your experience with dermarolling? Any results from a personal stand-point?

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                        • StayThick
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 624

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Conpecia
                          READ THIS STAYTHICK. this is another reason why you shouldn't dermaroll more than once a week bud.
                          I hear you Conpecia, I'm following this thread closely...but yea, I guess that makes sense. Although I've had no issues and have seen regrowth along my stubborn hairline doing it 3x a week.

                          I might apply more pressure when doing this moving forward and wait the recommended 5-7 days. Let's see if these "growth factors" really come in to play.

                          I'm all about trying things differently or modifying what I think is right if something different mentioned on here might be more efficient.

                          I'll let you all know how the change effects me moving forward.

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                          • hellouser
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2012
                            • 4423

                            #14
                            What should the dosage of PGE2 be?

                            According to this, the molecular weight of PGE2 is 352:



                            That looks pretty light and easy to penetrate skin, should work awesome, just like RU and even better with dermarolling, perhaps best when exfoliating skin and no more than 30 minutes after washing hair since sebum is then produced which does affect penetration.

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                            • Knockin on NW4
                              Member
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 82

                              #15
                              my 1.5mm will arrive friday, im going out of town this weekend so i will start monday. i used a 1mm once every 5-7 days with minox for a few months around february but didnt see enough improvement to put up with the hassle. also my old roller was a 540 count wich actually causes micro cuts instead of micro holes.... not sure if tnis had something to do with lack of results. however, it was great for getting rid of some stretch marks i had. i was quite impressed. i do shave my head with a stubble guard so the roller should get great penetration and results will be quickly noticable.



                              as far as pge2 dosage... no one really knows. StoicOne is getting us a great deal on some, like $125 for 50mg that should last at least a couple of months. in the vitiligo pge2 trials re pigmentation of the skin was seen with just 0.5mg daily in a topical solution. so we know that that is a safe amount and that would make 50mg last 3+ months.

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