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Originally Posted by Winston
Counting hair from a photograph only proves that what ever was left behind after extraction grew back. You would have to mark off an extracted area with a permanent tattooed marking. Once the grafts are extracted the transected hair left behind have to be marked and checked microscopically for vellus hair in the follicular unit. Then the area would need to be checked microscopically every few weeks to see if the entire graft was regenerating or if just the hair left behind from the grafts were repairing and regrowing. If it’s the later then all you have is a high tech way to graft split. If the entire follicular unit regenerates then you have what we’ve been waiting for.
Exactly. This is what I've been trying to explain. We need before and after precise counts of the follicles and hairs that are operated on. Sure I see hair growing out of extraction sites with HST on the high def photos but if I see only one hair growing or 2 hairs growing where there once was 3 well we don't have regeneration at all.
Dr. Gho's preposed method was that you transect a 3 haired follicle and transplant 2 hairs with all 3 growing back in the donor. He could be just transplanting 2 hairs from a 3 haired follicle and 1 grows back in the donor. i.e. no gain of hair.
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Originally Posted by Follicle Death Row
Exactly. This is what I've been trying to explain. We need before and after precise counts of the follicles and hairs that are operated on. Sure I see hair growing out of extraction sites with HST on the high def photos but if I see only one hair growing or 2 hairs growing where there once was 3 well we don't have regeneration at all.
Dr. Gho's preposed method was that you transect a 3 haired follicle and transplant 2 hairs with all 3 growing back in the donor. He could be just transplanting 2 hairs from a 3 haired follicle and 1 grows back in the donor. i.e. no gain of hair.
Mate I've told you about this before I hardly have any 3 hair follicles anywhere on my head. If 2 hair grafts are regrowing out of my donor and 2 hair grafts are growing from my recipient....you do the maths.
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Originally Posted by gc83uk
Mate I've told you about this before I hardly have any 3 hair follicles anywhere on my head. If 2 hair grafts are regrowing out of my donor and 2 hair grafts are growing from my recipient....you do the maths.
Hope so man. I genuinely do. I want it to work as much as you do. I'm just very wary of Dr. Gho given his colourful past.
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Originally Posted by Follicle Death Row
Hope so man. I genuinely do. I want it to work as much as you do. I'm just very wary of Dr. Gho given his colourful past.
please link to threads WITH pictures of the people he supposedly butchered... or WHATEVER your vague statements are referring to. Its p*ssy to say that and not post examples.
and don't respond with "he had bad results"... I'd like to see the threads with pictures etc.
if you're going to slander somebody, such as calling them untrustworthy because of a colorful past, then please post concrete examples....
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Originally Posted by NeedHairASAP
please link to threads WITH pictures of the people he supposedly butchered... or WHATEVER your vague statements are referring to. Its p*ssy to say that and not post examples.
and don't respond with "he had bad results"... I'd like to see the threads with pictures etc.
if you're going to slander somebody, such as calling them untrustworthy because of a colorful past, then please post concrete examples....
I never said he was a butcher. He certainly is not; that much is very clear. About a decade ago he said he had it cracked (regeneration) but the shallow lateral depth method didn't work out. I know there was little to no regen for most. I guess someone had to be the guinea pig but he promised the world and didn't deliver.
Guys this time last year I was asking for Gho to be looked into because I thought it was very promising. I even emailed one of the top docs re the physiology of the method but got no reply. No surprises there. I'm only playing devil's advocate to get these questions answered. We need to know for sure. I appreciate the photos but how can you tell if it's working or not. You actually need hair counts in an area before and after which in practice isn't practical needless to say.
What I am saying if you guys can follow this is, is that to date, we have no conclusive proof from photos alone. I also mentioned the Dr. Feriduni retraction this time last year so as I've said numerous times, it appears that the technique is actually based on a legitmate physiological phenomemon.
I just don't understand how some of you guys can say "yeah the pics look good it's legit." I want something a little more comprehensive than that.
C'mon guys it's healthy to ask questions here. I'm only trying to get to the bottom of this. You guys should also be pushing for someone to investigate this and maybe adopt the method if it turns out to be far superior. I thought that was the idea of the thread.
Maybe Spencer can get in contact with Dr. Feriduni about this thing too. He seems like a standup guy.
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Originally Posted by Follicle Death Row
Maybe Spencer can get in contact with Dr. Feriduni about this thing too. He seems like a standup guy.
THIS IS A GREAT IDEA
in other news, my gho appointment is near... just a few more months of being bald....
as far as comprehensive.... I think multiple celebs, GCs pics of obvious regrowth, and multiple peer reviewed journal articles highlighting the evolution of his research... are pretty "comprehensive".... i know an analysis done on a forum is not ideal, but did you not find ironman's analysis of GCs photos compelling?
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Originally Posted by Follicle Death Row
Hope so man. I genuinely do. I want it to work as much as you do. I'm just very wary of Dr. Gho given his colourful past.
don't hope. go look at the pictures and count... man
Originally Posted by 534623
some guys can see lots of replicel hairs without seeing a photo.
+1
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Originally Posted by Follicle Death Row
Dr. Gho's preposed method was that you transect a 3 haired follicle and transplant 2 hairs with all 3 growing back in the donor. He could be just transplanting 2 hairs from a 3 haired follicle and 1 grows back in the donor. i.e. no gain of hair.
wow, so many 3-hair grafts in such a small area and still even after already having 1 procedure in the same area. and even they did what you claim, nobody could see any hair shafts left in the extractions sites. so what you claim is absolutely impossible. and even they did it, seems something like 'shock loss' (i heard so much about) doesn't exist.
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Originally Posted by 534623
wow, so many 3-hair grafts in such a small area and still even after already having 1 procedure in the same area. and even they did what you claim, nobody could see any hair shafts left in the extractions sites. so what you claim is absolutely impossible. and even they did it, seems something like 'shock loss' (i heard so much about) doesn't exist.
Moral of the story:
Haters gonna hate.
But it is good FDR is asking these questions, means Gho's work is being scrutinized.
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