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Originally Posted by 25 going on 65
Evidence for hyperandrogenism from fin is very flimsy, especially people having it so bad that it is worse for MPB than taking nothing
To answer UK's post....no one has ever gone NW3-4 in 6 months from fin, who would have stayed NW2 for 5 years w/o treatments
Yes they can, Ive seen many people take fin at NW2 start and then after long shed they end up maintaining a NW3.
Are you saying this doesnt happen? Do a search on HLH there are many cases.
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Originally Posted by UK_
Yes they can, Ive seen many people take fin at NW2 start and then after long shed they end up maintaining a NW3.
Yes I can believe this, but a NW2 who would have stayed NW2 for 5 years w/o meds is not going to hit NW3-4 in 6 months because of finasteride
Edit- However this brings up something on my mind lately. It does seem like hair in front of the NW2.5-3 region is so sensitive to DHT, not even meds protect it permanently. The one study where the guys on fin maintained there hair for 10 years....pretty sure all those guys were at least NW3. Some were more like NW4+
When I read anecdotes about guys who following the typical MPB pattern, who start to lose ground on fin/dut after maintaining for years, they are usually guys who are NW1-2. & they usually are saying "I see my hair moving toward a NW3"
wtf is happening with this? Are the temples/hairline really just that sensitive to DHT? Or is there a factor in hair loss from that region that does not exist in the NW3 area?
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Update:
Back on fin. I was able to "perform" this last weekend, which dismissed any concern I may have had about side effects. As previously mentioned, I'm only 0.625mg EOD for now - just because.
Also, my minox foam came in the mail, so I'm using foam in the morning and liquid at night. My hair appears ever so slightly below baseline, but that's when it's covered in the greasy minox (which doesn't do it any favors).
Wish I had started both these treatments earlier, as I now have a noticeable amount of regrowth at the hairline (only place I analyze myself). The regrowth is 70% thin blonde hairs, with the rest being thick dark hairs -- although they may be just naturally cycling hairs. The run-off from the liquid is even causing little blonde hairs to pop up down at my original hairline, a good inch lower than my current hairline. This stuff works.
Finally, my shedding is almost completely stopped. I get about 1 hair per 3 aggressive "pull tests". What a relief. My advice to all: STICK OUT THE SHEDDING. IT'S WORTH IT.
Will post pics soon, but look back a page or two to see the regrowth I'm getting.
Regards, all.
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If you're such a good responder to anti-androgens, why dont you go on Dutasteride?
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Originally Posted by UK_
If you're such a good responder to anti-androgens, why dont you go on Dutasteride?
I have a packet of Dr Reddys Dutas at this exact moment. I decided I hadn't given fin a sufficient opportunity and would be prematurely switching over to dut. That's why.
I decided I'd rather go weaker anti-androgen + minox (forever) than switch to dut. I know you and handful of other dudes on this site think I'm pushing fin like it has no repercussions, but truthfully I don't to not be messing around with my hormones that much. I decided it's time to stick to what's proven and give it a sufficient chance. If I look worse in 4-5 months, I'll be poppin' dut like M&Ms.
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Fin maintains/slows.
Dut maintains/grows.
I guess adding minox to fin allows you to get growth too, if I responded well to anti-androgens I wouldnt even be on this site, id have my DUT+Minox in my bindle & be off skipping into the sunset.
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Originally Posted by UK_
Fin maintains/slows.
Dut maintains/grows.
I guess adding minox to fin allows you to get growth too, if I responded well to anti-androgens I wouldnt even be on this site, id have my DUT+Minox in my bindle & be off skipping into the sunset.
That's how I've been the last couple weeks honestly. Just over this website, over the worry and stress, actually having relationships and growing as a person.
However, this place is like a community of friends I can confide my biggest insecurity with, a place I feel like I can maybe help others, and a place I genuinely get a bit of entertainment from.
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