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Originally Posted by FearTheLoss
Bim will be out next year if the results are good, not 2020. I don't know where you got that false information.
Don't know where I got the false information from? It's from David Pyott's own mouth. As you said about yourself a few posts ago, you "haven't been following bim much", so I will let you know who that is. He's the CEO of Allergan. Watch the following video starting at 3:22: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100702571.
Now make a post justifying your bold statements given your ignorance and the fact that they are completely contradicted by the CEO of the company of which you are speaking.
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Originally Posted by beetee
Don't know where I got the false information from? It's from David Pyott's own mouth. As you said about yourself a few posts ago, you "haven't been following bim much", so I will let you know who that is. He's the CEO of Allergan. Watch the following video starting at 3:22: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100702571.
Now make a post justifying your bold statements given your ignorance and the fact that they are completely contradicted by the CEO of the company of which you are speaking.
Yes, but I know a lot about clinical trials and I can assure you that if they had a successful phase 2, it will not take more than 2 years to reach the market.
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Yes, but I know a lot about clinical trials and I can assure you that if they had a successful phase 2, it will not take more than 2 years to reach the market.
How? If they just finished phase IIb and will start phase III next year, how can they be on the market in less than two years? This isn't like Replicel/Shiseido in Japan where phase III is waived for autologous stem cell treatments. Logistically, Allergan has to recruit a large group of people, run the trial, analyze the data, apply to the (US) FDA for approval. The CEO himself said 2020. If that is what the company is saying, I don't see how they could bring the product to market sooner.
I feel like there is so much in the way of glib statements and baseless speculation on these forums. If you have some insight into the clinical trial process, please share it.
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6 years for phase 3? hahahhaha genius at work. phase 3 lasts for 6 - 12 months.
Spencer Kobren said it himself. It is likely that we will see the release of BIM in 2015.
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Did you watch the video I posted, genius? That is the person who is in control of the company. You think Spenser knows more than he does about what the company is going to do and when? I respect Spenser but haven't you heard him get excited about products and give timelines that just end up never being heard about again? I worry about some of the people on here that just make up their own reality on the basis of no or very little evidence, even in the face of solid evidence that directly contradicts what they're saying.
I have other information from the company detailing their plans and what and how they think it could work that hasn't been posted on forums publicly before, but I'm not going to post it in this forum. There are good people in this community, but there are too many deluded, unjustifiably confident people on here. You don't want facts and citations, you just want to believe whatever works best for you and then to sound off about it. So I'll leave you guys to that extremely interesting and valuable task. I just wish there was a forum for people based in reality that were able to at least tolerate or even appreciate being exposed to important facts and evidence about what's occurring in the real world.
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Would it be even worth bringing out a `Minoxidil 2.0` in 6 years time?
Unless its very very good.
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ah sorry beetee I forgot you are the man...my bad
well I guess we will hear the answer soon. Itīs Spencer by the way. So you think, that 2 guys JFSI and "Spenser", who actually care about bald men, lie and a CEO...I repeat a CEO.... tells you the truth. I bet you didnīt even hear what they said on the show. You are here on a forum bragging about whatever, when you could easily just tune in to the show, get a small update and start from there. Talking about reality check.
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Originally Posted by sascha
6 years for phase 3? hahahhaha genius at work. phase 3 lasts for 6 - 12 months.
Spencer Kobren said it himself. It is likely that we will see the release of BIM in 2015.
There's no way this gets released in 2015. They have to analyze the phaseII results, organize a phase 3 (usually takes a year or so), then do a phase 3 (another year) and then jump through all the hoops to get it to market (another year). So you're looking at 3 years more MINIMUM, if no delays or complications happen. And that's IF it actually works well enough. Wouldn't get too excited for anything to come out before 2018 or so, but the fact that there are a few good things in the works is encouraging.
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Originally Posted by sdsurfin
There's no way this gets released in 2015. They have to analyze the phaseII results, organize a phase 3 (usually takes a year or so), then do a phase 3 (another year) and then jump through all the hoops to get it to market (another year). So you're looking at 3 years more MINIMUM, if no delays or complications happen. And that's IF it actually works well enough. Wouldn't get too excited for anything to come out before 2018 or so, but the fact that there are a few good things in the works is encouraging.
Okay beta-baldie. You can say what you have to say. I stick to my opinion and we are cool. I actually believe what more informed people put out in public and boy we will see and I will be the first one to let you know. peace
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Originally Posted by sascha
Okay beta-baldie. You can say what you have to say. I stick to my opinion and we are cool. I actually believe what more informed people put out in public and boy we will see and I will be the first one to let you know. peace
you just stated that the next trial would last 6-12 months. you do realize 12 months with change puts you at 2016, and nothing gets released the second a phase three is over. No one knows shit except that trials and approvals always take a pretty standard minimum of time. Phase three is never the end, and you'll only see a phase three if this drug is really great, which by the looks of it could go either way. So take your condescending bullshit and go get a brain instead of hair.
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