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  • 35YrsAfter
    Doctor Representative
    • Aug 2012
    • 1421

    #91
    Originally posted by gillenator

    There is really no clinical substantiation (proof) that smoking causes hairloss unrelated to MPB. More of a theory than actual proof. I no longer smoke but I use to for 40 years and did so after all four of my HT procedures. I do not advocate this because of the constriction of the vascular system among other things like lung cancer, yet it never negatively impacted my results.
    Of course there is the classic example of the homeless man with a full, luxurious head of hair in the alleyway, gassed to the eyeballs, chain-smoking cigarette butts.

    According to Sharon A. Keene, MD, recent studies indicate that cigarette smoking raises testosterone levels in men by around 10% - 15%... The increased base hormone, testosterone undergoes 5α-reduction to form the more potent androgen, dihydrotestosterone. This particular study I read may have inadvertently solved the smoking fetish mystery. Perhaps men who get turned on watching women smoke cigarettes were around women smokers at puberty having their testosterone levels raised via second-hand smoke and are the victim of classical conditioning:

    Classical conditioning "Pavlov's dog"
    "Conditioning is usually done by pairing the two stimuli, as in Pavlov’s classic experiments. Pavlov presented dogs with a ringing bell followed by food. The food elicited salivation (UR), and after repeated bell-food pairings the bell also caused the dogs to salivate. In this experiment,the unconditioned stimulus is the dog food as it produces an unconditioned response, saliva. The conditioned stimulus is the ringing bell and it produces a conditioned response of the dogs producing saliva."

    BTW testosterone is responsible for sexual desire in both men and women. In women, testosterone is produced by the ovaries and adrenal glands.

    Back to the smoking issue. It constricts blood vessels. Lowered blood supply can definitely impair growth of healthy hair. It just doesn't manifest in the majority of men and women to where it becomes a problem. I just got off the phone with a new patient who had a strip surgery a year ago. Although we haven't seen him yet, he told me that his last hair restoration doctor believes a restricted blood supply caused his necrosis and hair loss in a 2 inch area.

    -35YrsAfter works at Dr. Cole's office
    www.forhair.com

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    • topcat
      Senior Member
      • May 2009
      • 849

      #92
      Sure preventing damage can be achieved by consuming a higher level of saturated fats and cholesterol through a nutrient dense diet. There is a direct connection between cancer and unstable processed vegetable oil in which the increased consumption is relatively recent. We could probably run a graph chart and the increase in consumption would follow the rise in skin cancer. The sun has been relatively constant for thousands of years so look for what has changed to cause the rapid rise. Maybe just follow the money like everything else we see.

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      • gillenator
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 1417

        #93
        An increase in testosterone levels does not equate to a directly related increase in DHT necessarily. There's no proof of this regarding the conversion levels, and please provide the link because I have researched this issue myself being a former smoker and HT patient.

        The constriction factor is well known and refraining from smoking is usually advised from just about any point of view. It also thins the blood so good idea to refrain from it prior to surgery. I imagine we could go on and on with the many reasons why to not smoke.

        Still, I do not believe that it is a major detriment to the success of a procedure. And I agree it is an exception, not the norm.

        topcat, I agree that optimal nutrition is a given for good health and it's no myth why we see the alarming increase in all forms of cancer related to our environment.

        Damaging sunburn can occur irrespective of one's diet "if" the scalp goes uncovered which is the other issue here.
        "Gillenator"
        Independent Patient Advocate
        more.hair@verizon.net

        NOTE: I am not a physician and not employed by any doctor/clinic. My opinions are not medical advice nor are they the opinions of the following endorsing physicians: Dr. Bob True & Dr. Bob Dorin

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        • 35YrsAfter
          Doctor Representative
          • Aug 2012
          • 1421

          #94
          Originally posted by topcat
          The sun is vital towards achieving optimal health for all human beings,to believe otherwise makes no logical sense. It’s very easy for those who market crap to say oh yeah it’s the sun. Most cancer is a direct result of environmental exposure to chemicals in some form and shoveling loads of crap down one’s pie hole.
          I had a severe sunburn on my face and scalp many years ago. I am fair skinned and have needed to treat solar keratosis from time to time with 5 fluorouracil. Actinic Keratosis is considered a pre-cancerous skin condition. A little-known study of nutrition revealed that a low fat diet can eliminate Actinic Keratosis. I have found this to be true to a degree. I have seen some of the red areas clear up since I changed my diet. So, yes, I believe that garbage food can be a catalyst for medical problems.

          There is the issue of too much of a good thing. Take Vitamin A for instance:
          "Vitamin A is a group of nutritionally unsaturated hydrocarbons, which include retinol, retinal, retinoic acid, and several provitamin A carotenoids, among which beta-carotene is the most important. Vitamin A has multiple functions, it is important for growth and development, for the maintenance of the immune system and good vision. Vitamin A is needed by the retina of the eye in the form of retinal, which combines with protein opsin to form rhodopsin the light-absorbing molecule , that is necessary for both low-light (scotopic vision) and color vision. Vitamin A also functions in a very different role as an irreversibly oxidized form of retinol known as retinoic acid, which is an important hormone-like growth factor for epithelial and other cells."

          One particular plant, the Poke Weed should not be overeaten. A plant can be so rich in vitamin A that if you eat too much of it, you risk a vitamin A overdose (hypervitaminosis A). Some vitamins, like vitamin C are water soluble--you urinate out the excess nutrients. Others, like vitamin A and vitamin D, are fat soluble--the excess nutrients are stored in your fat, hence you can get too much of them.

          Here in the South (Georgia), the Poke weed is legendary. Years ago there was even a popular song about it. It is poisonous unless it is boiled in water 3 times (the water must be discarded 3 times to leech out the excess Vitamin A.

          Like vitamin A, a necessary nutrient, one can get too much of it. This is true of sun exposure as well.

          -35YrsAfter works at Dr. Cole's office
          www.forhair.com

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          • 35YrsAfter
            Doctor Representative
            • Aug 2012
            • 1421

            #95
            Originally posted by gillenator
            An increase in testosterone levels does not equate to a directly related increase in DHT necessarily. There's no proof of this regarding the conversion levels, and please provide the link because I have researched this issue myself being a former smoker and HT patient.
            The study I cited in Hair Transplant Forum International does not provide proof that the rate of DHT conversion changes significantly with an increase or decrease in testosterone levels. The study implied a connection between increased testosterone levels from smoking and a greater degree of hair loss. Cigarette smoke contains thousands of toxins, so it is possible that the noted increase in hair loss is caused by another agent or combination of chemicals.

            35YrsAfter works at Dr. Cole's office
            www.forhair.com

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            • topcat
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 849

              #96
              35 years hopefully we all have common sense and build up a tolerance to sun slowly early in the season and then seek shade in the blistering heat like much of the rest of the animal kingdom. But unfortunately that is not the case as the average person sits under florescent lighting most of the year and then thinks it’s a good idea to sit in the high noon sun while vacationing near the equator.

              We often see some of these people in the news. They smoke, load they body with phthalates from heavy make up, burden their lymph system with tattoos, glue cell phones to the heads, probably eat a nutrient poor diet then they lop off their breasts to prevent disease. Not much logic there but I’m sure many will follow the lead after all it’s a celebrity.

              The human knows instinctively what to do but we seem to lost much of that for various reasons. Chances are poke weed is very bitter and if so it’s very bitter for a reason. I don’t know, never had it.

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              • gillenator
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 1417

                #97
                Several months ago I was referred to an endodontist to have a tooth x-rayed and just before the test I asked about the potential harm from the more advanced scan.

                He found my inquisition humorous as he noticed the redness of my cheeks from the sun. He then stated that the amount of radiation from 15 minutes of direct sunlight was far more exposure then the radiation from his equipment.

                He then commented on the approaching summer season and how many people never give a second thought to bake in the harmful rays of the sun whether they use sunblock or not.
                "Gillenator"
                Independent Patient Advocate
                more.hair@verizon.net

                NOTE: I am not a physician and not employed by any doctor/clinic. My opinions are not medical advice nor are they the opinions of the following endorsing physicians: Dr. Bob True & Dr. Bob Dorin

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                • topcat
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 849

                  #98
                  Doctors only know what they have been taught. Rarely do they question it nor do they realize who controls what they are being taught. They need to color within the lines that is just the way it works. The guy bought and paid for the machine he now needs to get his money back along with a little profit. Don't worry it's safe

                  What does he know about the Sun and UV radiation? Next time ask him for his extensive list of research material

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                  • topcat
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 849

                    #99
                    This weekend which comes around once a year I have the opportunity to watch thousands of pasty looking overweight women many of them obese walking around in pink shirts thinking they are doing something to help prevent cancer. That is the power of marketing and The American Cancer Society is loving it along with those that really control that institution. You see you need to control the information to sell the stuff that really makes the money and the Sun doesn’t make anyone any money.

                    The HT industry is small fish these guys are sharks working a much bigger pond. If you go up against them with the truth you end up in jail but usually their control over information is so complete that is rarely necessary but it does happen that is how much power they wield.

                    Usually what goes around come around so all it takes is a few people to say hey maybe we should stop screwing people over for a few bucks and do business honestly, do the right thing and then maybe others will follow and in the end we will all be better off.

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                    • 35YrsAfter
                      Doctor Representative
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 1421

                      Originally posted by gillenator
                      An increase in testosterone levels does not equate to a directly related increase in DHT necessarily. There's no proof of this regarding the conversion levels, and please provide the link because I have researched this issue myself being a former smoker and HT patient.
                      I just emailed Dr. Keene to ask if she is aware of any studies that support a relationship between testosterone and DHT levels. In other words will an increase in testosterone cause DHT production to increase and vice versa?

                      -35YrsAfter works at Dr. Cole's office

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                      • gillenator
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 1417

                        Originally posted by 35YrsAfter
                        I just emailed Dr. Keene to ask if she is aware of any studies that support a relationship between testosterone and DHT levels. In other words will an increase in testosterone cause DHT production to increase and vice versa?

                        -35YrsAfter works at Dr. Cole's office
                        As long as it is clinical substantiation. Thousands of studies take place but most of them result in opinions not verification.
                        "Gillenator"
                        Independent Patient Advocate
                        more.hair@verizon.net

                        NOTE: I am not a physician and not employed by any doctor/clinic. My opinions are not medical advice nor are they the opinions of the following endorsing physicians: Dr. Bob True & Dr. Bob Dorin

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                        • topcat
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 849

                          I try not to cut and paste articles to the forum but I think in this case this article is well worth reading. Not so much for the content which I have personally found to be 100% true but for understanding how information is manipulated when there is money to be made. I would consider the Sun just as important as food in healing the body and mind.

                          I like the line about tag team effort...........huh......c'mon doesn't that make you laugh kind of reminds me of the ht industry.

                          June 4, 2013 by MARCO TORRES

                          The Sun Is Heating Up And It's Time To Ignore Every Single Message You Hear About Slathering On Sunscreen

                          The idea that sunscreen prevents cancer is a falsity promoted by a profit-seeking tag-team effort between the cancer industry and the sunscreen industry. How convenient an oversight by these demonizers of the sun that people closest to the equator have the lowest incidence of skin cancer, but you'll never hear that message on your local news. Instead, as the summer approaches the media bombards us daily with myths that blocking the sun's rays from reaching our skin will somehow protect us from the one thing it actually prevents--cancer.


                          Blocking the sun's rays from reaching our skin dramatically influences our optimal vitamin D levels, leading to higher mortality, critical illness and mental health disorders. Ironically, sunscreen itself causes cancer.


                          A Tale of Corruption and Deception

                          The sunscreen industry makes money by selling lotion products that actually contain cancer-causing chemicals. It then donates a portion of that money to the cancer industry through non-profit groups like Cancer Societies which, in turn, run heart-breaking public service ads and charity events such as Relay For Life urging people to donate and use sunscreen to "prevent cancer."


                          The cancer establishment has retreated from the truth. What began as sincere investigation into the economic root causes of a complex set of 200 different diseases, at the turn of the 20th century, quickly degenerated into a single-minded focus. All cancer societies are now dedicated to funding drug companies to "find the cure" that will never exist, at least not from any mainstream institution.


                          Devra Davis, one of North America's sharpest epidemiologists "Astonishing alliances between naive or far too clever academics and folks with major economic interests in selling potentially cancerous materials have kept us from figuring out whether or not many modern products affect our chances of developing cancer." She has documented how some of the world's most prominent cancer researchers secretly worked for chemical firms without disclosing these ties when publishing studies.


                          Davis' work will rob you of any lingering, Disney-like fantasies you might have entertained about the nobility of cancer fundraising campaigns actually doing some good the cancer patients. Please DON'T support American or Canadian Cancer Societies or Relays For Life.


                          Many grants funding cancer research are supported by the National Cancer Institute (NCI) and the Melanoma Research Foundation. The NCI is the same federally funded (and privately funded by Big Pharma) organization that promotes mammography via ionizing radiation. In fact they are one of the biggest mammography promoters in the nation. They are directly managed by the biotech sector and typically employ pharmaceutical executives on their boards.


                          The Melanoma Research Foundation (MRF) is filled with scientific advisory members with conflicts interests statements littering their academic work. The decision makers at MRF are all current or former pharmaceutical executives or board members.


                          Why Sunscreen Will Never Prevent Cancer And May Cause It

                          The Sun does not cause cancer. Researchers have concluded that UVA exposure has not contributed to the rise in the incidence of melanoma over the past 30 years. UVA makes up 90 percent of the ultraviolet light spectrum of sunlight.


                          "Our data refute the only direct evidence that UVA causes melanoma, which is not to say that UVA is harmless," said the study's lead author David Mitchell, Ph.D., professor in M. D. Anderson's Department of Carcinogenesis located at its Science Park -- Research Division in Smithville, Texas. "UVA is just not as dangerous as we thought because it doesn't cause melanoma."


                          Both UVA and UVB can cause tanning and burning, although UVB does so far more rapidly. UVA, however, penetrates your skin more deeply than UVB.


                          UVB appears to be protective against melanoma -- or rather, the vitamin D your body produces in response to UVB radiation is protective.
                          As written in The Lancet:
                          "Paradoxically, outdoor workers have a decreased risk of melanoma compared with indoor workers, suggesting that chronic sunlight exposure can have a protective effect."
                          So if UVA and UVB do not cause melanoma, why use sunscreen?
                          Skin cancer rates are increasing and the so-called experts are STILL blaming the sun for a problem manufactured right here on earth.


                          If the sun was REALLY causing skin cancer, and if sunscreen prevented it, we’d be cancer-free by now. We’re already spending less time outside than ever, and wasting billions of dollars a year on needless, dangerous creams and lotions.
                          Meanwhile, just a couple of generations ago, we spent far more time out in the sun and ZILCH on sunscreen -- and skin cancer was practically unheard of.


                          After decades of debate, several governments have failed to set mandatory sunscreen safety standards. Companies are free to make their own decisions on everything from advertising claims to product quality. The underlying message is that sunscreen applications are presently carrying risks that far outweigh any benefit to the public.


                          Comprehensive scientific reviews indicate that 83% of 785 sunscreen products contain ingredients with significant safety concerns. Only 17% of the products on the market block both UVA and UVB radiation which is the intended purpose by manufacturers of sunscreen, so what's the point? The assessment by the Environmental Working Group's Skin Deep database was based on a review of nearly 400 scientific studies, industry models of sunscreen efficacy, and toxicity and regulatory information housed in nearly 60 government, academic, and industry databases.
                          At least 50% of products on the market bear claims that are considered "unacceptable" or misleading under sunscreen safety standards. An analysis of marketing claims on hundreds of sunscreen bottles shows that false and misleading marketing claims are common. They give consumers a false sense of security (based on myths) with claims like "all day protection," "mild as water," and "blocks all harmful rays" which are completely untrue, yet are found on bottles. Consumers might assume that, because researchers have implicated ultraviolet light in skin cancer development, sunscreen automatically thwarts skin cancer. They play on this consumer bandwagon of fear and hope on an issue shouldn't even be an issue...blocking the sun!

                          A review of the technical literature shows that some sunscreen ingredients absorb into the blood, and some are linked to toxic effects. Some release skin-damaging free radicals in sunlight, some act like estrogen and could disrupt hormone systems, several are strongly linked to allergic reactions, and still others may build up in the body or the environment.
                          Almost two dozen law suits have been filed against Johnson & Johnson Inc., Schering-Plough Corp., Playtex Products Inc., Tanning Research Laboratories Inc. and Chattem Inc involving some of the most popular brands, including Coppertone, Banana Boat, Hawaiian Tropic, Bullfrog and Neutrogena -- charge that manufacturers inflate claims about sunscreens, lulling consumers into believing their products are safe when they have shown to CAUSE cancer.


                          Almost half of the 500 most popular sunscreen products may actually increase the speed at which malignant cells develop and spread skin cancer because they contain vitamin A or its derivatives retinol and retinyl palmitate which accelerate tumor growth.


                          In a year-long study, tumors and lesions developed up to 21 percent faster in lab animals coated in a vitamin A-laced cream than animals treated with a vitamin-free cream, a report by EWG stated based on their analysis of initial findings released by the FDA and the National Toxicology Program,


                          Based on the strength of the findings by FDA's own scientists, many in the public health community say they can't believe nor understand why the agency hasn't already notified the public of the possible danger.


                          Scientists have reported that particle size affects the toxicity of zinc oxide, a material widely used in sunscreens. Particles smaller than 100 nanometers are slightly more toxic to colon cells than conventional zinc oxide. Solid zinc oxide was more toxic than equivalent amounts of soluble zinc, and direct particle to cell contact was required to cause cell death. Their study is in ACS' Chemical Research in Toxicology, a monthly journal.


                          The Environmental Working Group who previously analyzed 15 studies on nanoparticles on sunscreen said that no investigations have ever assessed absorption through damaged skin. Such data is missing “for nearly all of the 17 sunscreen chemicals approved for use in the U.S.” The scientists note that a concern is children accidentally ingesting nano-sized zinc oxide.


                          Another common and toxic ingredient in sunscreens is titanium dioxide. New research published in ACS' journal, Environmental Science & Technology found that Children may be receiving the highest exposure to nanoparticles of titanium dioxide. The geometry of titanium dioxide (TiO2) based nanofilaments appears to play a crucial role in cytotoxicity having a strong dose-dependent effect on cell proliferation and cell death.


                          A comprehensive study conducted by researchers at UCLA's Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer found that titanium dioxide (TiO2) nanoparticles, found in everything from cosmetics to sunscreen to paint to vitamins, caused systemic genetic damage in mice. The TiO2 nanoparticles induced single- and double-strand DNA breaks and also caused chromosomal damage as well as inflammation, all of which increase the risk for cancer.


                          Vitamin D From The Sun is The Key In Preventing Disease

                          The scientific evidence, however, shows quite clearly that sunscreen actually promotes cancer by blocking the body's absorption of ultraviolet radiation, which produces vitamin D in the skin. Vitamin D, as recent studies have shown, prevents up to 77 of ALL cancers in women (breast cancer, colon cancer, cervical cancer, lung cancer, brain tumors, multiple myeloma, etc). Meanwhile, the toxic chemical ingredients used in most sunscreen products are actually carcinogenic and have never been safety tested. They get absorbed right through the skin (a porous organ that absorbs most substances it comes into contact with) and enter the bloodstream.


                          For the past several years, there has been considerable interest in the role vitamin D plays in improving health and preventing disease. Previous finding show that low levels of vitamin D have been directly associated with various forms of cancer and cardiovascular disease. Stephen B. Kritchevsky, PhD, Professor of Internal Medicine and Transitional Science at the Wake Forest School of Medicine found a significant correlation.


                          "We observed vitamin D insufficiency (defined as blood levels <20 ng/ml), in one third of our study participants. This was associated with nearly a 50 percent increase in the mortality rate in older adults," said Kritchevsky. "Our findings suggest that low levels of vitamin D may be a substantial public health concern for our nation's older adults."


                          Cedric F. Garland, Dr.P.H., cancer prevention specialist at the Moores Cancer Center at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) and colleagues estimate that 250,000 cases of colorectal cancer and 350,000 cases of breast cancer could be prevented worldwide by increasing intake of vitamin D3, particularly in countries north of the equator. "For the first time, we are saying that 600,000 cases of breast and colorectal cancer could be prevented each year worldwide, including nearly 150,000 in the United States alone," said Garland.


                          Although vitamin D can be obtained from limited dietary sources and directly from exposure to the sun during the spring and summer months, the combination of poor dietary intake and sun avoidance has created vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency in large proportions of many populations worldwide.


                          It is known that vitamin D has a wide range of physiological effects and that correlations exist between insufficient amounts of vitamin D and an increased incidence of a number of cancers. These correlations are particularly strong for cancers of the digestive tract, including colon cancer, and certain forms of leukemia.


                          Spending an average of three hours a day exposed to sunlight can slash the risk of breast cancer by up to 50 percent.


                          People with higher blood levels of vitamin D live significantly longerthan people who have low blood levels of the vitamin.


                          A new study from University College London in the UK found that people with higher vitamin D levels had a 43% lower risk of depression, compared to people with vitamin D lower levels.
                          Results published in Clinical Nutrition also indicated that the higher vitamin D levels were associated with a 67% lower risk of panic, compared to the lower levels.
                          "The high burden of mental and behavioral disorders and concurrent high prevalence of vitamin D insufficiency (<75nmol/l) worldwide (29) highlight the potential importance of our findings," wrote the researchers, led by Jane Maddock from the UCL Institute of Child Health.


                          People with the highest levels of vitamin D have the lowest risk of skin cancer. Sure, you can get some of that from a pill...but historically, most people have gotten their D straight from the source: the sun, and protecting yourself from it 100 years ago with clothing, cream or anything would likely have been viewed as its own mental health disorder.


                          How To Make Your Own Non-Toxic Sunscreen

                          While the sun will not cause cancer, it is not in your best interest to burn your skin. So if you are prone to burning easily, try making your own natural sunscreen to extend your exposure.


                          New York Times Best selling author, Sophie Uliano of Gorgeously Greenand her new book DO IT GORGEOUSLY, shows you how to make your own non toxic sunscreen in less than 4 minutes.


                          Please omit zinc oxide from the recipe to make a truly natural and toxic free version of this sunscreen, especially during preparation. Zinc oxide can affect the lungs and reproductive system if inhaled. Replace the zinc oxide with 1 tablespoon of avocado oil which helps increase the sun protection factor (SPF).
                          Recipe: (SPF 6-8)
                          2 tablespoon Virgin Coconut Oil
                          1 tablespoon Shea Butter
                          1 tablespoon Avocado Oil
                          1/2 teaspoon Sesame Oil
                          1/2 teaspoon Aloe Vera Gel
                          Keep in mind that this recipe will not allow you to stay in the sun for hours without burning, even if you have darker skin. If you have pale skin and are prone to burning in very short periods, this recipe will only modestly protect you when UV rays are at their highest strength. Intermittent periods spent in the shade are highly recommended to balance the UV dose you receive.


                          For those that tan well, this lotion will give you an excellent color and glow if used daily while spending a minimum of 30 minutes in the sun.


                          Although it not waterproof, it is water resistant if applied thoroughly and spread evenly. In direct sunlight, you must reapply a thin layer of the lotion every half hour for optimal results.



                          Spread the word: Please promote the use of non-toxic sunscreens.

                          Marco Torres is a research specialist, writer and consumer advocate for healthy lifestyles. He holds degrees in Public Health and Environmental Science and is a professional speaker on topics such as disease prevention, environmental toxins and health policy.

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                          • gillenator
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 1417

                            Keep bringing it!
                            "Gillenator"
                            Independent Patient Advocate
                            more.hair@verizon.net

                            NOTE: I am not a physician and not employed by any doctor/clinic. My opinions are not medical advice nor are they the opinions of the following endorsing physicians: Dr. Bob True & Dr. Bob Dorin

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                            • 35YrsAfter
                              Doctor Representative
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 1421

                              Originally posted by gillenator
                              As long as it is clinical substantiation. Thousands of studies take place but most of them result in opinions not verification.
                              Dr. Keene responded:
                              While I do not have the the study that proves a linear relationship to serum T and hair follicle T or DHT--the original association of T and DHT to hair loss occurred because of the finding that giving T to men who had been castrated (eunuchs) resulted in hair loss--and among those without the ability to convert T to DHT (those genetically born with an absence of 5 alpha R) there is no AGA. It seems likely, even though the study has not been done yet....that increasing serum levels of T results in increases in follicle levels of DHT, however, there are probably other factors that effect this, including genetic sensitivity to ones' own T or DHT (ie AR-CAG repeats) and the intrinsic ability of the hair follicles to produce DHT from cholesterol--we don't know what drives this. It reminds of the argument that insurance companies used to make--"there is no proof that prophylactic mastectomies reduce cancer in predisposed women--really? How can a breast cancer occur when there is no breast tissue?--eventually the proof was there. Logic suggests there is a relationship, and I think we will prove this point, but the study has not been done--and there are likely other factors that will be involved to determine whether T supplements have the same effect in all AGA patients.... I hope this helps.
                              Best Regards,
                              Dr. Keene

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                              • topcat
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2009
                                • 849

                                It reminds of the argument that insurance companies used to make--"there is no proof that prophylactic mastectomies reduce cancer in predisposed women--really? How can a breast cancer occur when there is no breast tissue?--eventually the proof was there. Logic suggests there is a relationship, and I think we will prove this point, but the study has not been done

                                I find many people that work in the medical field to be very scary. Maybe brain amputations to avoid any gilomas would be in order as it would save others as well.

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