what do people on this site need for a cure?

[Tracy C]

That's not true, castration doesnt regenerate hair...

Castration does not immunize hair follicles from the damaging effects of DHT. If that were the case, women would not suffer with hereditary hair loss. Yet women do suffer with it as well as men.

You are not looking at the whole picture. I do not know why you are so narrow minded but you need to step back and look at all the pieces of the puzzle instead of just one or two pieces.

[UK_]

Castration does not immunize hair follicles from the damaging effects of DHT. If that were the case, women would not suffer with hereditary hair loss. Yet women do suffer with it as well as men.

You are not looking at the whole picture. I do not know why you are so narrow minded but you need to step back and look at all the pieces of the puzzle instead of just one or two pieces.

Yes it does - if I castrated myself my hair loss would stop indefinately but the hair ive lost would not grow back - so how is immunization a cure? What about the millions of NW 234567 men out there? How will immunization magically grow their lost hair back? LOL

You claim I am not looking at the bigger picture... the HOLY GRAIL would also address people suffering from AA, AU and scarring alopecia - even TE .. clearly, being immune to one hormone wont do a thing for all these people - so how on earth can you tell me I am not looking at the bigger picture?

You're talking absolute horse shit.

[Tracy C]

Yes it does.

Castration does not immunize hair follicles. You are absolutely not looking at the big picture. Open your mind. Read valid legitimate information, listen and learn. Start by looking up the definition of of the words "cure" and "immunization".

[UK_]

Castration does not immunize hair follicles. You are absolutely not looking at the big picture. Open your mind. Read valid legitimate information, listen and learn. Start by looking up the definition of of the words "cure" and "immunization".

Yes I KNOW it doesnt "immunize" the hair follicles LMFAO *face palm* - did I ever say it did EXACTLY that? I only used it as an example to help you understand that being free from the effects of DHT does not equate to what is often termed "THE CURE/HOLY GRAIL".... You said in your original post that "immunization IS the cure" - SORRY..... but that's utter horse shit - there's people out there suffering from COMPLETE hair loss... there's chemotherapy patients suffering from COMPLETE hair loss - Alopecia Areata patients suffering from COMPLETE HAIR LOSS - to even suggest "being immune to DHT" alone as "THE CURE FOR HAIR LOSS"... is probably the most ignorant and narrow minded statement I have read in the past 3 years on this site. You were talking ABSOLUTE HORSE SHIT in your first post lmfao & now it looks like you're trying to worm out on semantics - pathetic, truly and utterly pathetic.

P.S. I think we forget sometimes that this is a HAIR LOSS site - not a Male Pattern Baldness site.

[WashedOut]

For me there are two definitions. If you're already bald then it should give you 50% density in a respectable pattern, anything more is just being greedy. If you are not already bald then it should be a simple procedure or treatment that will save your hair forever.

[UK_]

For me there are two definitions. If you're already bald then it should give you 50% density in a respectable pattern, anything more is just being greedy. If you are not already bald then it should be a simple procedure or treatment that will save your hair forever.

The holy grail is hair multiplication, it could be used for everyone and anyone.

Imagine taking a few hundred cells from your scalp and a month later being able to transplant over 12,000 new hairs, giving you that hair line you had at 17 even.

That's the f&*%$£g holy grail - not "immunization" lmfao - if only Anthony Atala were working on HM - we'd all be cured by now! That guy can grow over 20 different body organs in the lab.

[Tracy C]

I can accept that you do not agree with what a true cure means to me. You are not looking at all the pieces of the puzzle and I can accept that - but you are trashing me just for the sake of trashing me. Is there even a slight chance that you could even try to be a decent human being?

[DepressedByHairLoss]

The holy grail is hair multiplication, it could be used for everyone and anyone.

Imagine taking a few hundred cells from your scalp and a month later being able to transplant over 12,000 new hairs, giving you that hair line you had at 17 even.

That's the f&*%$£g holy grail - not "immunization" lmfao - if only Anthony Atala were working on HM - we'd all be cured by now! That guy can grow over 20 different body organs in the lab.

Dude, Anthony Atala's lab has been on my radar too and I actually e-mailed them a couple of months ago to ask them if they are working on growing hair, explaining in my e-mail the devastation of hair loss, the very limited options we have out there now, and real need for a cure for hair loss. They basically said that hair regeneration is not something that they are currently working on. All I know is that in order to achieve a hair loss cure, there have got to be a helluva lot more companies/people working to cure it, and not just a bunch of people whose sole job it is to tinker with mice and nothing else. If I can count on one hand the number of companies in the entire world who are working to cure hair loss, then something is terribly wrong!! This makes me think of another alarming fact. There are probably thousands of doctors today practicing hair transplantation yet far less than 10% of the hair loss population opts for a hair transplant. Yet I can guarantee you that far more than 10% of hair loss population would jump at a more effective, and non-invasive cure for hair loss, yet I can only count on one hand the number of companies looking for this cure. When you have thousands of hair loss professionals practicing a treatment that most hair loss sufferers don't even want to get, yet you have only a handful of hair loss professionals working on a potential treatment that the majority of hair loss sufferers would want, then that illustrates that there is something seriously wrong with the hair loss industry.

[Davey Jones]

The holy grail is hair multiplication, it could be used for everyone and anyone.

If you're going to use a lofty term like "holy grail", I'd say my version of that would be a one time application cream that has you wake up with a full head of hair. It costs a dollar in the pharmacy isle, and there's a 50% off coupon for it in Sunday's paper. You may say that's not realistic, but neither is the Holy Grail...

Hair multiplication would be d*mn nice too though. I feel like I've heard of people cloning hair follicles a few times throughout the years. Why do I never hear about that later? What goes wrong? Isn't that process basically figured out, or am I remembering incorrectly?

And on the argument you're having, I think Tracy C is just considering a different definition of the word "cure." It seems like she wants someone to actually fix the head. Hair multiplication seems more along the lines of the ultimate Jerry rigging for the scalp. Aesthetically though, I don't think a "real cure" or "the ultimate Jerry rigging" would look any different, so either is fine by me.

[Horseshoe]

Castration does not immunize hair follicles from the damaging effects of DHT. If that were the case, women would not suffer with hereditary hair loss. Yet women do suffer with it as well as men.

Tracy, women do produce testosterone and therefore are subject to hairloss from DHT but not to the same degree as a man. They produce less testosterone then a man and likewise they lose less hair then a man...