All Propecia users,,, come here please !!!

[Zao]

If you have seen some of the comments he has initiated you would understand why this type of language is called for. I invite you to search some of his post history if you feel strongly about this. I am one of the few Propecia users that have developed permanent side effects from the drug and he has said things like those who have been damaged from the drug deserve it. Perhaps, I should restrain myself but his utter lack of respect certainly trumps anything I have said to him.

That never happened. I would never say that anyone deserves that! You're delusional PropeciaVictim and this last statement only proves your agenda. You have been emotionally terrorizing every person who decides to try Propecia on this forum. Check every one of my posts and you will not find any statement remotely close to me saying that anyone deserves to suffer with side effects!

[PropeciaVictim]

That never happened. I would never say that anyone deserves that! You're delusional PropeciaVictim and this last statement only proves your agenda. You have been emotionally terrorizing every person who decides to try Propecia on this forum. Check every one of my posts and you will not find any statement remotely close to me saying that anyone deserves to suffer with side effects!

I wasn't referring to you. If you could follow the line of conversation you could see it was traced back to VictimofDHT. However, you have been extraordinarily disrespectful by referring to people who are anti-Propecia as 'delusional' and a collective 'mafia'. VictimofDHT has gone as far as saying that all bald men should be sterilized so the genes are removed from the gene pool, even though 50% of human males face some kind of MPB.

It is simply untrue when you say that I have been 'terrorizing' EVERY person who decides to try the drug on this forum. You are misrepresenting my actions and will cause men to suffer as a consequence.

As it stands, 25% of the respondents have had sexual side effects from taking the drug which is astronomically out of proportion to what Merck represents in their FDA materials. It is unclear, but many men here who claim to have watery semen and testicular pain seem to have put that they had no side effects from taking the drug. While I don't know what they put, I would personally have included that in the sexual side effect category even if it is only mild.

[khan]

Anti-Propecia users make some extraordinary claims. I may or maynot agree with them, but that doesn't mean I should start making personal insulting comments, calling them intellectually challenged.

"All bald men should be sterilized", is definitely an extreme statement. But VictimofDHT and other users have as much of a right to share their opinion here as you. Why are you so aggressive to opinions that don't agree with yours?

I know you have gone throught a lot, and maybe we're not even close to going throught what you have, but we're suffering too. This MPB, has killed my self esteem. I have lost 75% of my libido as a result of the blow my self esteem took when I first realized I was balding. Its like slow poison, killing slowly but surely. I am just starting grad school and feel like giving up already, nothing in life seems worth it.

So if VictimofDHT thinks all bald men should be sterilized, I can see where he's coming from. If you can't relate to this, than thats fine, no one's asking you to. Just like I may not agree with a lot stuff anti-propecia user claim, but I still respect their opinion. But you guys are so aggressive its totally uncalled for.

[PropeciaVictim]

Anti-Propecia users make some extraordinary claims. I may or maynot agree with them, but that doesn't mean I should start making personal insulting comments, calling them intellectually challenged.

If you think they make extraordinary claims, imagine what it would be like to live with these extraordinary side effects. On top of that, many members on here choose to ignore the reality of the medication and disrespect those who have been misled into taking the drug and were seriously harmed by it.

Zao has accused us many times of having an agenda, whatever that means. The main motivation on this forum is to help inform prospective consumers of the risks they decide to undertake. We are constantly being accused of having financial/legal/commercial motives which is not very logical. I am not involved in any of the current legal cases and do not work for a firm that supplies a competing product. Even if these things were true, I would not be furthering my interests by posting on this website. My goal is to educate those that are being duped into seriously risking their livelihoods.

So many guys recklessly experiment with the drug thinking they will have a chance to quickly stop if they sense the onset of side effects but this is not always true. Sure, the risk of developing these side effects is minimal but the consequences are so dire that it would likely outweigh any benefits for some guys. Some guys are so hung up on their hair loss it makes sense to try Propecia if they are desperate, but personally I had always expected to lose my hair and just wanted to postpone the inevitable at age 21. An ironic consequence is that my hairloss has slowed (seemingly to a halt) since my DHT levels are through the floor and have not rebounded in the year I have been off fin.

I apologize (at least for myself) if I tend to be aggressive or angry but if you look closely you will see some of the guys here are extremely disrespectful and make light of our situation. The gravity of the medical condition we are facing should also offer an explanation why I can get aggravated with people who disregard the condition for what I deem to be stupid reasons.

I do see your point, and it does make sense to try to maintain a cool composure even when dealing with some guys who don't deserve the slightest bit of respect.

Thanks.

[robbie25]

It is very unlikely that your decrease in sex drive was caused by your girlfriend, especially since you no longer have morning erections. Try some internet material or any other source to see if the potential is still there. If your sex drive has been decreased across the board, I would seriously recommend stop taking the drug.

At around the 6 month mark I lost my morning erections and while I was still generally functional at that point within the next 3 weeks I became completely impotent.

Hopefully you will take this as a serious warning since my side effects have not since reversed after more than a year.

I find this really interesting, because in this thread over here

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5416

On post #8, You said this:

"My doctor said the same thing and I initially disregarded the reports on PH as being misguided or all out lies. However, a few days after starting the drug I developed a loss of sensitivity and ED which never went away. Recently, I was tested and found to have pudendal nerve dysfunction and I will follow up with a neurologist to see if this is treatable since even Viagra won't restore sensation."

So what was it? You're ED started a few days after, or 6 months? That's a big enough discrepancy to essentially confirm that you're story is complete bullshit. And if that's bullshit, then everything you say is likely bullshit. I wonder what your motivation is for doing this?

I'm not really a big forum user here, I've made a few posts, and read a few threads, and yet you're everywhere.

What's you deal, and what are you getting out of this?

[67mph]

Zero sides for me, nearly two years on Propecia.

Losing your hair is enough to lose your sex drive impo.

[SBTRKT]

Robbie, you sound exactly like me when i was on finasteride and using these forums. I defended the drug to no end and wrote off different users that came by and warned people of the dangers. Years down the line now, i have huge regrets. I did not suffer any serious side effects ON the drug but once i came off it, all hell broke loose and now i am seriously screwed up. This drug does a lot more than cause impotence.

[SBTRKT]

PropeciaVictim, now I have read everything! The fact that Kanyon is able to enjoy porn means that he has zero or negligible physical side effects. He might have some anxiety which doesn't allow him to be fully aroused without more stimulus, but that’s a classic sign of performance anxiety which his probably caused by the fear of not being able to achieve an erection. To claim that Kanyon has symptoms of anything except perhaps performance anxiety is ridiculous! You are not helping him by making him think that his situation will only get worse. Who are you to say that he is at a higher risk of persistent side effects?

He has lost his morning erections.

[SBTRKT]

Anti-Propecia users make some extraordinary claims. I may or maynot agree with them, but that doesn't mean I should start making personal insulting comments, calling them intellectually challenged.

"All bald men should be sterilized", is definitely an extreme statement. But VictimofDHT and other users have as much of a right to share their opinion here as you. Why are you so aggressive to opinions that don't agree with yours?

I know you have gone throught a lot, and maybe we're not even close to going throught what you have, but we're suffering too. This MPB, has killed my self esteem. I have lost 75% of my libido as a result of the blow my self esteem took when I first realized I was balding. Its like slow poison, killing slowly but surely. I am just starting grad school and feel like giving up already, nothing in life seems worth it.

So if VictimofDHT thinks all bald men should be sterilized, I can see where he's coming from. If you can't relate to this, than thats fine, no one's asking you to. Just like I may not agree with a lot stuff anti-propecia user claim, but I still respect their opinion. But you guys are so aggressive its totally uncalled for.

You need to seek therapy.

[robbie25]

Robbie, you sound exactly like me when i was on finasteride and using these forums. I defended the drug to no end and wrote off different users that came by and warned people of the dangers. Years down the line now, i have huge regrets. I did not suffer any serious side effects ON the drug but once i came off it, all hell broke loose and now i am seriously screwed up. This drug does a lot more than cause impotence.

I'm not defending the drug whatsoever, as I have no experience with it, and thus, no credibility. I want to credible sources from all sides. But I was just pointing out that PropeciaVictim severely contradicted himself by telling two completely different stories, and thus, is not a credible source.

What happened with your sides? It's kind of unusual to only get them once your off the drug. I wonder what the physiological explanation of that is?

[PropeciaVictim]

I was just pointing out that PropeciaVictim severely contradicted himself by telling two completely different stories, and thus, is not a credible source.

I did tell two different stories, but there is no contradiction. Like many men I experimented with finasteride on different occasions and developed side effects at different points throughout dosing. It would be quite a snoozer to explain the entire chronology and saga of my Propecia usage and I have spared you up to this point but I will elaborate a little bit more to explain the misperceived contradiction. During my entire Propecia usage history I was advised by several different doctors and tried it on different occasions. You will see it is quite common for guys to try the drug, develop side effects, and go for another experiment.

Insensitivity and mild erectile dysfunction came within a few days of taking the drug that never went away but was not so overwhelming that it caused me to seek serious medical assistance. After trying the drug later and experimenting with different doses at different times, the side effects rendered me completely impotent and have only moderately rebounded since. Even this is quite an oversimplification of the complex sequence with which I have experienced side effects, improved in some areas, worsened in others, and unsuccessfully sought medical treatment from a variety of specialists.

You ask me what I expect to get out of this and I have already told you my goal is to inform guys of the possible risks. Again, I am not involved in any of the current litigation, I do not work for anything that could resemble a Propecia competitor, and I am not here because I am bored. Ask yourself, why would anybody bother to visit a message board to warn people of the dangers of a random drug? I personally have been damaged and am extremely angry at Merck for fraudulently misrepresenting their product. Part of the venting process is to let me story out into the public and prevent other men from having it happen to them unknowingly.

[SBTRKT]

I'm not defending the drug whatsoever, as I have no experience with it, and thus, no credibility. I want to credible sources from all sides. But I was just pointing out that PropeciaVictim severely contradicted himself by telling two completely different stories, and thus, is not a credible source.

What happened with your sides? It's kind of unusual to only get them once your off the drug. I wonder what the physiological explanation of that is?

Actually no, it's not unusual. Side effects OFF the drug is what post finasteride syndrome is

Propeciahelp.com

Sufferers often don't get major side effects on the drug, or if they do they resolve for a week or two after quitting and the the body crashes. From there onwards, most are screwed permanently.

[kanyon]

Truthfully my lack of erections and decreased sex drive is a worry. But right now I dont need a sex drive with my girlfriend overseas. As I still socialize frequently it's more important to keep my hair for now.

[khan]

Truthfully my lack of erections and decreased sex drive is a worry. But right now I dont need a sex drive with my girlfriend overseas. As I still socialize frequently it's more important to keep my hair for now.

I thought you could whatch porn, get a usual errection and masturbate, as you did before the drug?

[SBTRKT]

Truthfully my lack of erections and decreased sex drive is a worry. But right now I dont need a sex drive with my girlfriend overseas. As I still socialize frequently it's more important to keep my hair for now.

Let's hope that the side effects don't come back to bite you if you come off the drug.