Istanbul HT story (Tayfun Oguzoglu)

[Paget]

Thanks Makepeace, I welcome your update

[Makepeace]

My message and reply

Hello Steve,

Thanks for your email.

I understand your concerns and hearing you. Internet is helpful, though, it delivers information which doesn't tell the whole story or wrong, from time to time.

In my email, I will not try to convince you but will write you the facts and the truth behind, and you will decide.

IAHRS is yet another organisation for hair transplant surgeons around the world, just like ISHRS, ASHRS, ESHRS and ABHRS.
All these organisations accept surgeons by taking them through several exams and assessing their results. All of them are internationally recognised and respected.

Although I find Joe Tillman's researches and comments on forum very useful, I'm being disappointed by the words "I didn't hear good things about that surgeon". Because this also means " I haven't seen anything with my eyes nor met with him, but I'm in relying on someone's words which I cannot actually show any evidence of". Many surgeons spend their years on becoming a good one, including Dr. Tayfun who performs since 1996, and their results are appreciated by becoming valuable members of these organisations.

I believe you would agree with me that not all surgeons have to become members of all organisations in world.
I understand Joe Tillman is recommending IAHRS surgeons, as he is in partnership with two of them from Turkey. You can understand this by reading his comments on forum.
Those two surgeons were also members of ISHRS previously, but they had been expelled because they were not joining the extraction part. Therefore they "had" to shift into another organisation. For instance, this is one of the major reasons why Dr. Karadeniz (Joe TIllman represents) is not on Hair Restoration forum anymore. He had to leave.

Not all good surgeons have to be on forums either. For instance, we do not participate because forum owners are asking for a lot of money to recommend us and we chose other ways to represent ourselves. For instance, we are the only clinic from Turkey which has an office in UK. And the only clinic with 100% independent reviews on a 3rd party website, whereas on forums, you cannot even comment under a hair transplant case, presented by a surgeon, without their approval. So what happened to transparency?


The famous American Hair surgeon Dr. Lindsey is a member of both and summarises them as follows;

"Both are excellent organizations but serve different functions. The ISHRS, which I joined years ago, does many things including offering educational and research meetings for doctors and their staff's interested in Hair work. I got a grant from them last year to study vascularization of hair grafts.

IAHRS on the other hand is more focused to consumers allowing a forum for educating the patient population of options and allowing doctors to present cases for review. Additionally, doctors can present representative cases for review by the IAHRS staff, and along with letters of recommendation and actual patient interviews by the IAHRS, selected doctors can become recognised for providing quality care."

I hope I could be helpful, and please do not hesitate to ask if you have more questions.

Kind regards,


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A. Kaan SAKAR
Country Manager UK


On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:40 PM,

Hi I'm just writing about my upcoming operation. I looked into the site the bald truth which you sent me a video link. And now it has gave me some concerns. As they all mention to make sure your surgeon is iahrs registered which my surgeon is not
(Tayfun Oguzoglu)
I asked questions and heard from a doctor in Canada representative joe Tillman leading to believe not to go through with the op. As he had heard not such good things about the surgeon and only use iahrs surgeons.
So now I'm not sure what to do

[Oyster]

I'm in touch with gethair since more than a year and had been where you are now. I still couldn't go ahead with it tho as priorities changed, etc.
A close friend also chose them and I remember him saying they exactly do what they promise and he is still very pleased with the outcome.

I side with the person you spoke with though, as not all surgeons have to be on iahrs, specially if money is involved. This forum supports only iahrs members if you realised.
I found this thread and thought it would give you some idea:

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/21266-Keeping-negativity-out-of-the-forums

I had met with gethair representative at their office twice and couldn't find another clinic which has so.

It's a known fact that Joe is affiliated with some doctors, no secret, it's written on his signature even.

[JoeTillman]

I was recently made aware of this thread and feel the need to set the record straight.

Although I find Joe Tillman's researches and comments on forum very useful, I'm being disappointed by the words "I didn't hear good things about that surgeon". Because this also means " I haven't seen anything with my eyes nor met with him, but I'm in relying on someone's words which I cannot actually show any evidence of". Many surgeons spend their years on becoming a good one, including Dr. Tayfun who performs since 1996, and their results are appreciated by becoming valuable members of these organisations.

I don't know who started this but my position regarding Dr.Tayfun is that I do not have a position regarding Dr. Tayfun. I do not recall "hearing" anything good OR bad. Maybe there have been some comments somewhere online? Who knows but one thing I do know is that he is not an accepted member of the IAHRS. Does this mean he's bad? Of course not and the IAHRS is not the ONLY requirement that a patient should have for the doctors they consider. The IAHRS is however a great starting point for patients to start their research.

I understand Joe Tillman is recommending IAHRS surgeons, as he is in partnership with two of them from Turkey. You can understand this by reading his comments on forum.

I represent no one except myself. I work with doctors that happen to be IAHRS members. I have never been in partnership with two doctors in Turkey. I have only ever worked with one, Dr. Emre Karadeniz.

Those two surgeons were also members of ISHRS previously, but they had been expelled because they were not joining the extraction part.

This is a lie. If one were to visit the ISHRS website they would see that Dr. Karadeniz is not only still a member of the ISHRS he is one of the organizers of the upcoming ISHRS FUE workshop in Istanbul on April 1,2,3.

You can see his listing here...

http://www.ishrs.org/physician-search?combine=&province=&country=tr&distance%5Bpostal_code%5D=&distance%5Bcountry%5D=us&distance%5Bsearch_distance%5D=100&distance%5Bsearch_units%5D=mile&field_procedures_value=All

And the ISHRS workshop information is here where you can see Dr. K as a faculty member.

http://ishrsfueworkshopistanbul2016.com/#speakers

Furthermore, if one were to look at the entire list of doctors in Turkey that are members of the ISHRS almost all of them do not take part in FUE extraction as the representative of Gethair.com stipulates as being why Dr. Karadeniz was "expelled" from the ISHRS. This is all a complete fabrication.

For instance, this is one of the major reasons why Dr. Karadeniz (Joe TIllman represents) is not on Hair Restoration forum anymore. He had to leave.

Another fabrication. Dr. Karadeniz left a particular forum because he wanted to distance himself from certain actions and policies that were being force upon him, doctor extraction not being one of them as Dr. Karadeniz is one of the ONLY doctors in the entire country of Turkey that DOES perform all of the FUE extractions himself. So there are two lies in that statement. Dr. Karadeniz was not removed and he does do all FUE extraction himself. The proof is online showing his voluntary leave and if it is no longer online then I have screenshots of the announcement.

Dr. Lindsey's quote is absolutely correct. The ISHRS serves to educate doctors. The IAHRS serves to educate consumers. The ISHRS has no real barrier to acceptance as it serves to educate and share information among doctors. The IAHRS does in fact have barriers to entry as it serves to not only educate consumers but PROTECT them as well by arming them with information (as I do) and by screening doctors that have a baseline of ethics and performance.

I'd like for the representative of Gethair to stop misrepresenting me and and Dr. Karadeniz. In the end, it doesn't really affect me personally but it is misleading patients if he has continued to spread such misinformation.

[wannamyhairback]

hi all, sad to hear you are not satisfied with the operation, but i do want to see your current sutuation as i am planinng to go with Tayfun Oguzoglu in december , looking forward to hear you

[nk1990]

new here but also trying to find out info on dr tayfun

im assuming this guys a troll either attempting to discredit him, or just plainly chatting rubbish!

He has put up no pics and ended his story short with no evidence, either that or 5 months in he went through late shedding? his hair has now grown back and hes done one!

Either way he's a knob for leaving a half ass story like this, qutie annoying really!

[Stevedawg18]

Hi, read through this thread and quick summary. Don't go to Turkey and get a cheap FUE transplant. Save yourself the heart ache. Beyond that Turkey's government is becoming more and more like Iran, don't spend your money there and support that. Steer clear and go to a reputable clinic.

[nk1990]

Hi, read through this thread and quick summary. Don't go to Turkey and get a cheap FUE transplant. Save yourself the heart ache. Beyond that Turkey's government is becoming more and more like Iran, don't spend your money there and support that. Steer clear and go to a reputable clinic.

Why do you say that? Have you been with poor results, from what I can gauge turkey probably has among the best surgeons for hair restoration.

Please back up what you said. Plus there are loads of people who go turkey with great results, if it was all doom and gloom and heartache we would here testimonies from those affected on forums.

Harley Street clinic have said no for myself advanced hair studio didn't seem to have a clue and have said yes.

Need to visit some other clinics for an accurate verdict but I havent seen a lot of results/reviews for UK clinics except Shane Warne posted all around advanced hair studio

[Oyster]

Why do you say that? Have you been with poor results, from what I can gauge turkey probably has among the best surgeons for hair restoration.

Please back up what you said. Plus there are loads of people who go turkey with great results, if it was all doom and gloom and heartache we would here testimonies from those affected on forums.

Harley Street clinic have said no for myself advanced hair studio didn't seem to have a clue and have said yes.

Need to visit some other clinics for an accurate verdict but I havent seen a lot of results/reviews for UK clinics except Shane Warne posted all around advanced hair studio

Definitely agreed.

Some surgeons in Turkey have more international qualifications than others in Europe. For me, that has a meaning.

I think what confuses people is that for a reason, they think it's the Country itself doing the operation, not the people in the operation room.

I also believe the guy who started this thread is just trying to discredit Dr Tayfun.
No follow-ups, no photos, only 5 months?, and actually no bad words about the clinic or him, plain grumbling. Not serious.

[Stevedawg18]

Well I agree there are exceptions, it's just the amount threads I see that begin with I went to Istanbul to get a FUE hair transplant...... and I almost can guess the rest. Usually ends with this has been a nightmare, disaster, etc. I've seen good results from a couple Turkish doctors but on the whole probably better to not go to Turkey.

What if something goes wrong, is a Doctor half way around the world going to help you? Will you have any legal standing in Turkey, would you trust their legal system? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Seems people want the solution that's too good to be true. A cheap FUE megasession transplant, in reality that might be the worse thing you could possibly do. It's going to deplete your donor zone to the point where if you have poor growth, which is fairly likely, there's not a lot that can be done to fix it. I am truly grateful I didn't go this route but could have ended up doing it too had I been researching now.

[nk1990]

hi all, sad to hear you are not satisfied with the operation, but i do want to see your current sutuation as i am planinng to go with Tayfun Oguzoglu in december , looking forward to hear you

did you go with them then? results?

[Jjay122]

I've heard of Dr. Tayfun and I've seen some cases but I won't go into any details that I've read as that is something you can find on your won quite easily.

If he could find them quite easily why would he be asking here. And if you knew anything useful why the hell wouldn’t you just say it. What a dick...