Hair treatment for MPB in teenagers

[Kudu]

What are the main risks of fin you fear? Because I fear the sexual sides, but I'm also afraid of ****ing with my development as a male. Sure, you can get fin legally prescribed when you turn 18 but that doesn't mean it's advisable to take it when you're 18. I've seen people on fora claiming that starting with fin before you're 21 y/o is prob a bad idea b/c of development of your body.

Now I don't exactly know how DHT influences your growth process (note that, when saying growth, I'm not necessarily talking about height and weight but also about possible development of face characteristics and things like penis growth (I have no idea if these things are actually influenced by DHT but just to name some things)) but I recently found an article that's all about DHT and its functions in the body (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/reform8.htm). It's a pretty complex article with a few concepts I can't really get my head around (yet), but I'll look into this subject a bit more in the near future.


My balding is not visible yet since it only started a couple of months ago (well, that's when I first noticed so it might have been going on for somewhat longer but not a whole lot longer I guess). My hairline hasn't really receded yet (I'm like a NW1,5 atm) but I'm diffuse thinning all over the top of my head. When I'm in the light, you can already see the U-pattern a bit. Also, I'm shedding like 250 hairs a day so that's really a good sign I guess. But because of my hairline still being the same as it used to be, nobody knows that I'm going bald except for the people I told it to. Therefore I don't really get any crap... But I'm pretty sure that if I don't take action soon, my hairline will take a hit or I'll get a very thin crown.

Have you ever thought of using RU? I've read mixed stories about it but still, might be worth giving a try?

I'm worried about everything from my beard development (which is filling in nicely) to sexual side effects. Prostate shrinkage, gyno, penile shrinkage, brain development... All that scared the hell out of me! But I had to cut my hair really short yesterday which really shows the baldness and now I'm really motivated to do something. I'm really wanting to try RU, but trying to convince my parents to go along with me applying an experimental drug isn't exactly easy haha. But to me it's a helluva lot better than finasteride, from what I've read anyway. But I have a decent amount of cash so I may go for it in the next few weeks. By the way, you're a lot smarter than I was, when I first noticed my hairline, I was in compete denial. I kept asking people I was close to if I were balding, every time the answer was no. My hairline kept going back for another two years and here I am, still THINKING about doing something...

[Notcoolanymore]

Maybe I should look into experimental drugs or something...

Yes, because the experimental stuff is the safest. RU is a good choice. Of the 3 guys that use it, they all seem to be having great success with no sides.


On the serious note. The treatment choices we have suck. If you are truly losing your hair you only have two choices: 1) get on proven treatments or 2) Go Bald.

[burtandernie]

RU sounds good I mean its topical right? If the topical is absorbed (No one knows) then your looking at the same or worse sides as finasteride or it just doesnt absorb or work at all and you just go bald like normal. I think those are pretty likely in comparison to it works perfect with no problems and stops MPB completely

[Illusion]

I'm worried about everything from my beard development (which is filling in nicely) to sexual side effects. Prostate shrinkage, gyno, penile shrinkage, brain development... All that scared the hell out of me! But I had to cut my hair really short yesterday which really shows the baldness and now I'm really motivated to do something. I'm really wanting to try RU, but trying to convince my parents to go along with me applying an experimental drug isn't exactly easy haha. But to me it's a helluva lot better than finasteride, from what I've read anyway. But I have a decent amount of cash so I may go for it in the next few weeks. By the way, you're a lot smarter than I was, when I first noticed my hairline, I was in compete denial. I kept asking people I was close to if I were balding, every time the answer was no. My hairline kept going back for another two years and here I am, still THINKING about doing something...

I feel you man, I have the same feeling about the possible development issues. Sexual sides weren't even my main concern tbh. I was also scared of my sperm becoming less fertile in the long run but things like that might be just me seeing things. About RU... I'm very likely to start with RU in the next few weeks. I'll open up a thread by then, so be sure to follow me and my progress (which i hope is there)! Have you started with RU since? I know it can be hard to convince your parents, maybe you can ask a friend who's 18 y/o or an older brother if he can buy it for you. I know it might not be the easiest thing to do (lying to your parents about it AND telling someone you're going on a pretty expensive treatment for MPB) but it might be worth it.

And lol at you saying I'm smart. I'm just paranoid as hell about my appearance :P. Though I'm feeling that my attitude is getting slightly better over time, so that's a good thing.

Yes, because the experimental stuff is the safest. RU is a good choice. Of the 3 guys that use it, they all seem to be having great success with no sides.

On the serious note. The treatment choices we have suck. If you are truly losing your hair you only have two choices: 1) get on proven treatments or 2) Go Bald.

But I could try, no? maybe I'll end up wasting a lot of money, maybe I'll end up with a big confidence boost. I don't know either. But I do want to find out. I don't want to look back in a couple of years and think "shit, why didn't I start with RU?" Obvioulsy, the flipside of this is that if RU would be very harmful to me after all, I'm going to regret this decision for life. And that's the one thing I hate so much about this treatment: even though the safety of it sounds pretty good (non-systematic, no serious (short-term) sides reported and if they were reported, they went away quickly because it was in your body for only a few days max) but it's all bro-science.

So yes, you're right. It's experimental which means it's not necessarily safe nor effective. But I want to try this. On a side note, regarding the bolded part: it seems that many people doubt I'm actually losing my hair. Why is that? My GP and dermatologist both told me it was MPB, I can see a lot of hairs falling out each day and my hair is definitely thinner on top of my head (slightly diffuse thinning). No, it's not really visible yet but the fact is that it has started already. Now is the perfect time to start doing something about it.

RU sounds good I mean its topical right? If the topical is absorbed (No one knows) then your looking at the same or worse sides as finasteride or it just doesnt absorb or work at all and you just go bald like normal. I think those are pretty likely in comparison to it works perfect with no problems and stops MPB completely

regarding the bolded part: even though it kind of looks like you're comparing RU to topical fin, I think you're somewhat right. But even reducing (not completely stopping) the rate at which I'm losing hair it would be great. By the way, even if it was a miracle compound like some people say it is, it has a lot more problems than just its effectiveness or safety. Storage can be quite a bitch (the powder has to be stored in a freezer in order to be stable for a long time) and getting a good batch is sometimes a problem too, although I heard things that Kane is pretty reputable (note that I say pretty, not ZOMG KANE HAZ 100% PURE RU!!1!).

[Illusion]

visited a specialised clinic last week and the doctors advised dutasteride. Talked for a while with them and told them I would rather start with finasteride than dutasteride. They eventually agreed, saying that dutasteride would be a back-up plan for when the results with finasteride wouldn't be satisfying enough. So i got the prescription for 1,0 mg finasteride every day. I'm glad I can finally do something about it. I sometimes question if I indeed should have taken the opportunity to start with DUT right away, but I feel more comfortable side-effect wise with taking finasteride first. I was kind of surprised though that they prescribed dutasteride as a first line treatment (instead of fin). They said my baldness was in the early stages, so I figured fin would be sufficient... Besides, I recently turned 17 and I'm not exactly sure about taking DUT this early.

So I'm going to take fin for the next year and see what the results are. I'll have another appointment at that clinic in a year. I hope fin will thicken my hair up but if not, I can always hop on dut which feels pretty reassuring. I'll upload pictures from time to time. I do have to say that it's mainly my density that is the problem and not my hair line, so progress (or the opposite) might not always be easily visible)

[Kudu]

Really surprised you found a clinic that will prescribe to you. Good thing though, much better to have a clinic that knows what's going on than just ordering online.

[Illusion]

Really surprised you found a clinic that will prescribe to you. Good thing though, much better to have a clinic that knows what's going on than just ordering online.

im surprised too. oh well i have a reliable source anyways.

^^ I was surprised too, was even more suprised that they recommended Dutasteride before trying fin. It sucks though that the only bloodwork they did was glucose levels, Hb levels and something else i can't remember... I was hoping they would check some of my hormones (Testosteron, Estrogen, etc). Not necessarily because I want to know if my hairloss is related to those hormones but rather to compare those levels to my levels while on finasteride (for when something goes wrong or whatever). So yeah, that sucks, but what can you do... It's too late to compare it with a baseline, already took my first 3 tablets

[Illusion]

I'm so tired, fearing it's because of fin but hard to really tell without getting any bloodwork done. The night before I took fin, I had a very bad sleep (6am - 12am). The nights after that were perfectly fine though, went to bed at either 12pm or 1am and had at least 8,5 hours sleep (normally, I function optimally with this amount of sleep). But the last two days I have been tired as **** for no apparent reason other than fin. It's the kind of sleepiness that makes you want to go lay on the couch and watch tv, all day long. It starts when I wake up and is really bad for the first 3 or 4 hours. After that it's somewhat ok, it fluctuates a bit thorughout the day. Maybe it's too soon to say that it's fin-related, but it could be that my estrogen levels are just high or that my body has to adjust to the changes inside of me.

What do you guys think? Has anybody experienced this constant fatigue? Did it go away after a few weeks?

Probably have to adjust my diet to it if this persists.

Edit: libido and quality of erection is not affected at all... Sometimes a bit of a sensitive chest, but beside that, brain fog is pretty much all I'm experiencing

[LeonardoD]

I'm so tired, fearing it's because of fin but hard to really tell without getting any bloodwork done. The night before I took fin, I had a very bad sleep (6am - 12am). The nights after that were perfectly fine though, went to bed at either 12pm or 1am and had at least 8,5 hours sleep (normally, I function optimally with this amount of sleep). But the last two days I have been tired as **** for no apparent reason other than fin. It's the kind of sleepiness that makes you want to go lay on the couch and watch tv, all day long. It starts when I wake up and is really bad for the first 3 or 4 hours. After that it's somewhat ok, it fluctuates a bit thorughout the day. Maybe it's too soon to say that it's fin-related, but it could be that my estrogen levels are just high or that my body has to adjust to the changes inside of me.

What do you guys think? Has anybody experienced this constant fatigue? Did it go away after a few weeks?

Probably have to adjust my diet to it if this persists.

Edit: libido and quality of erection is not affected at all... Sometimes a bit of a sensitive chest, but beside that, brain fog is pretty much all I'm experiencing

I'm 19 and I've been on Finasteride for 6 months and I have had no side effects what so ever. My dermatologist even said that he has never had a patient who suffered from the side effects that Finasteride labels. I've been using both Propecia and generic brand, no difference.

I usually go to bed 0300 and wake up around 0900(I work/game a shit ton) and I have no problems with fatigue or any sort of that shit.

Don't let shit get into your head... I was really worried about gyno when I start with fin, really annoying. Get your head somewhere else or you'll blame everything on fin. Just chill and think about the cool stuff fin does, saving your hair, more test etc.

Ur a teenager it's okay to be tired. C-H-I-L-L.

[Illusion]

I'm 19 and I've been on Finasteride for 6 months and I have had no side effects what so ever. My dermatologist even said that he has never had a patient who suffered from the side effects that Finasteride labels. I've been using both Propecia and generic brand, no difference.

I usually go to bed 0300 and wake up around 0900(I work/game a shit ton) and I have no problems with fatigue or any sort of that shit.

Don't let shit get into your head... I was really worried about gyno when I start with fin, really annoying. Get your head somewhere else or you'll blame everything on fin. Just chill and think about the cool stuff fin does, saving your hair, more test etc.

Ur a teenager it's okay to be tired. C-H-I-L-L.

Yeah the thing is, I feel noticably different. Could be all in my head though, but I feel about the same as when I pull an all-nighter: tired, brain fog-ish.

But you're right, I really should stop visiting forums and stop reading about people who experienced the same sides that I am experiencing. However, if these sides are still there when I finish my first month of taking propecia, there's no ****ing way I'm ever going to touch this stuff again. (Or maybe cut my dose. Don't think that'll do much but who knows)

[LeonardoD]

I visit the forums once in a while, just to check shit out, if there's anything going on with CB etc. It's a good idea.

All teenagers are tired man. I had a mate who had to visit the doc when we were in high school because he was so tried always. He had a hairline of 10 year old so I doubt he was on fin .

There's so much shit going on around fin... Everyone blames fin. You're paranoid that's all and so was I when i took my first pill, just forget that shit and move on

If it was so bad then it wouldn't be used or given to you by your doctor, have some faith man!

[Illusion]

I visit the forums once in a while, just to check shit out, if there's anything going on with CB etc. It's a good idea.

All teenagers are tired man. I had a mate who had to visit the doc when we were in high school because he was so tried always. He had a hairline of 10 year old so I doubt he was on fin .

There's so much shit going on around fin... Everyone blames fin. You're paranoid that's all and so was I when i took my first pill, just forget that shit and move on

If it was so bad then it wouldn't be used or given to you by your doctor, have some faith man!

Nah there's more going on. I'm going to visit my GP very soon if this continues, I've never felt like this before. Trust me, I know my body pretty well. I know I'm pretty prone to depression (have had periods of depression since I was 11 and have been on and off therapy) so maybe that's not really helping me.

It would sure suck if this brain fog doesn't go away while on fin or if it isn't solvable while on fin... I was really looking forward to using fin, finally I was able to do something significantly against my hair loss. And then this shit happens.

[Illusion]

This whole finasteride is not going as well as I wished it would go. I'm developping lump-ish, rubbery tissue under my right nipple and the brain fog is still persistent. Does anybody have any experience with using a SERM or AI while on fin? I'm paying my GP a visit in a few days to get some clarification on the whole situation but I'm not really hopeful. She's probably going to tell me to quit fin unless this is a) not gyno or b) treatable with other medication. I really don't like option B though since I already hate taking 1 medicine that is adjusting my hormones, let alone multiple.

[Illusion]

Well, my GP basically said "it could be because you're a teenager, it could be because of fin. There's no way to be sure. You can either quit and see if it resides or continue using fin and see if it gets worse." There's probably a 1% chance that this is not induced by fin. I mean, the coincedence would be very, VERY huge if my body naturally, not fin-related, developped gyno while taking fin.

Great. I've been off fin for almost 2 weeks now. The hard, rubbery, lumpish tissue is still there in my right nipple. Does anyone know how long it usually takes for early gyno-tissue to reside after you've quit fin? Surely beginning gyno is reversible when it's induced by only a week and a half worth of fin-usage?

Oh, and could it be that because I'm only 17 that my fin-gyno will reside as I grow older? I'm asking this because gyno is a common thing under teenagers (although I have never experienced gyno before fin-usage) and because fin altered my hormones, my body might take some time to get used to it and to possibly balance things back into place.



Any thoughts on this?

[Kudu]

Damn, that sucks man, it really does. Now you have to worry about gynocomastia, hair loss, AND the stuff that normal teenagers have to deal with. You're right about how guys are more susceptible to gyno at our age, and Finasteride probably increases the risk by a substantial amount if I had to guess. The brain fog also would be a big issue for me.

Everything should go back to normal, and gyno is treatable at least. Good luck man.