For guys <NW4 who refuse oral DHT inhibitors, what do you think is the end game here?

[hiilikeyourbeard]

You do realize there is Dutasteride which is three to four times more effective that Finasteride and blocks at least two types of 5AR hair loss enzyme in DHT making it a far more potent DHT blocker.

I quit Finasteride correction I weaned myself off of Fin after a year and three months seeing no remarkable results and then switched up to Avodart. Holy Crap... in under six months the baby vellus hairs on my crown and vertex darkened and in some cases turn gray by thickened. Since I had no side effects from Fin I figured in was worth the crap shoot and it was most definitely pics will be forthcoming. I was an advanced NW5 into a NW6 and now it looks like I jumped up in levels back steadily to a NW3 due to patience and resolve. Even my ex and the mother of my kids has a lingering stare after me as I leave the door from her place to pick them up with a renewed look on her face of what happened this guy looks better and I have worked out in conjunction with that and lost weight and gained some abs and put a chin up bar in my home. It has given me back a sense of coming back from limbo.

In a few months I saw far more results than Fin ever showed and on top of that I upped my keto to the medicated 2 percent and got more Minoxidil 5 percent foam and now I see my scalp flaking and shedding for more sensitive skin underneath growing hair. With very little to no shed just growth. Plus I take Biotin a hair growth and nails supplement which has also helped along with black tea.

you do realize he just said he doesn't like the idea of playing around with his hormones right?

[ChrisM]

you do realize he just said he doesn't like the idea of playing around with his hormones right?

Then your sarcasm aside he is f*cked and that is the cold hard truth of it because those are the only options out there today besides of course... a hair transplant costing in the thousands of dollars if you have that kind of cash to shell out.

Thing like Fin and Dut and RU and CB and all of the like have possible side effects and if you have never tried them and have no intention of ever trying them then the pharmaceutical market as was said in earlier thread is not interested in a cure for MPB. They are interested in giving results that make you the buyer have to keep taking and taking and ingesting whatever it is they market to keep the results you are getting and the reality is that affects your blood chemistry and again that acts against dihydrotestosterone a naturally occurring hormone triggered by genetics to an aggressive level is still going to have side effects major or minor regardless of whatever the product is in theory or in practice. And the moment you stop *poof* you lose everything you attained and may even be worse off than you were when you started.

I took my risk like everyone else (and rolled the dice late in NW5 land I might add) who was leery and my hormones are fine and for the next man that might not be the case and that is what getting your blood checked and talking to specialists are for to either reinforce your commitment to no meds or to take a chance. Topicals like Minoxidil and ketoconazole are hair boosters but the DHT in your blood serum chermistry as culprits will always be there lurking about. Someone will invent the cure for AIDS and cancer because there is a Nobel Prize in it and making the history books and huge cash in the billions for such things and the adoration of a society free of that blight. Hair loss does not weigh in on that level and as such is and will always be a low priority.

Time is not on the side of the balding man depending where you are on the Norwood scale and it worsens every month and every year more of your hair sheds. You eventually come to a crossroads where either you decide to do something about it or you shave your hair off and accept your baldness and move on.

[capitan]

Then your sarcasm aside he is f*cked and that is the cold hard truth

I'm just 17 and I agree with you.

Started taking Finasteride as soon as I hit Norwood 2. No sides and I don't even care.

And to the guy afraid of Fin, do you even know what "f***ing with your hormones" really is?

Go on any anabolic steroids or bodybuilding forum. Read about all the guys planning their cycles. Or just hit the local LA Fitness or Gold's Gym and see them for yourself.

And you're scared of Finasteride?

Lol.

[ChrisM]

Yes. Either take the risk because that is the front line of what is out there to fix the problem or don't and accept what is and shave your hair down and leave it at that. The whining about the black tea and the saw palmetto and all of those other useless placebos and your hair still falling out and receding.. well guess what you haven't impacted the process at all.

Balding is a combination of an imbalance of hormones and genetic triggers combined with androgen sensitive hair receptors locked under the hair follicle to cause shrinking and fallout of hair. You are interrupting the outgoing chemistry stream in your blood of the DHT imbalance in the hormones since nothing out there currently exists to lock to the receptors themselves shielding them as a permanent barrier and there is nothing out there yet to reset the genetic code that implements baldness in human beings. So being that this all we have and by the way DHT and T lessen as you get older past 40 years old so then with the oral inhibitors they would logically be more successful in those who have maintained their hair slowing the baldness over time as there is less to fight against the treatment. So there is merit taking this from your 20's, 30's and into your 40's restoring your hair until the next thing comes around the curve.

[25 going on 65]

I'm just 17 and I agree with you.

Started taking Finasteride as soon as I hit Norwood 2. No sides and I don't even care.

Many guys would tell you not to take fin until you are 20. But your bravery will pay off

Waiting 3 years can be the difference between NW2 & NW3a-4. Somewhere else in the world is a 17 yo NW2 who decided to wait til 20....his college years are basically ruined & he does not even know it yet

[yeahyeahyeah]

Many guys would tell you not to take fin until you are 20. But your bravery will pay off

Waiting 3 years can be the difference between NW2 & NW3a-4. Somewhere else in the world is a 17 yo NW2 who decided to wait til 20....his college years are basically ruined & he does not even know it yet

TBH a lot of guys have slow hairloss, I think people get so hysterical.

I am confident histogen HSC will be out by 2015.

[25 going on 65]

TBH a lot of guys have slow hairloss, I think people get so hysterical.

I am confident histogen HSC will be out by 2015.

Unfortunately people who start losing in their teens tend to have aggressive mpb & can not afford to wait and see. He is doing the smart thing.

Also will we not still need DHT meds with HSC? I do not keep up with future treatments anymore

[yeahyeahyeah]

Unfortunately people who start losing in their teens tend to have aggressive mpb & can not afford to wait and see. He is doing the smart thing.

Also will we not still need DHT meds with HSC? I do not keep up with future treatments anymore

Yeah Teens lose it quick, talking about those in their 20s.

HSC has got new funding from a company looking to expand into the bio tech sector.

[drybone]

The man speaks the truth. God I wish I was 20 again

I had such a great head of hair. I am sure we all did.

In my defense, there was no dut or fin in 1986. By the time fin was approved in 1997 , I was already 31 and most of my hairloss had occurred.

Taking a Dut or Fin tablet every day is a hell of a lot easier than getting transplants and concealers.

I am very fortunate I was only a NW 3 when I finally got off my arse and did something about it. My advice for every young man who starts to lose their hair at 18 , get onto the meds and hope you are not one of the few who get side effects.

[ChrisM]

Well it is interesting much like you Fin was not available in generic form for a quite a while in the nineties it could only be gotten by prescription and my dermatologist I was seeing refused to do so. Rogaine was 60 dollars a pop for a 1 percent to 2 percent solution. Dutasteride did not exist so the large amount of my MP6 occurred from 1993- to the present and so of that time only by 2011 nearly eighteen years was I able to get on keto, Minoxidil foam and Propecia and then made the jump to Dutasteride in the following year and now it is slowly reversing out the MPB. My crown and vertex were peach fuzz and now darkened hair.. the length of time you were a Norwood whatever the scale seems to be a factor but then it also seeme to be responsiveness to the androgen receptors underneath the hair follicle roots and how bady the hair was impacted during that time.

My regimen as of today which is aggressive.

Dermaroller 1.5mm
two to three times a week
per application of Minoxidil foam 5%

T-Sal Salicylic Acid which strips off the sebum and dirt and oil.
Ketoconazole 2% attacks the DHT in the scalp

Biotin 2500mg pills two a day

Dutasteride 0.5 mg one a day

[Dan26]

dude dont dermaroll with 1.5mm that often it will do more harm then good.

stick to once ever 1-2 weeks and if u want roll with 0.5mm for appliction of minoxidil

[Morbo]

TBH a lot of guys have slow hairloss, I think people get so hysterical.

I am confident histogen HSC will be out by 2015.

Wait. I get it, it's a joke right?

[fred970]

Taking a Dut or Fin tablet every day is a hell of a lot easier than getting transplants and concealers.

But it's a lot safer to go with HT and concealers. I mean maybe that's just my opinion because I'm gyno prone and all. But anyway, if I had ever taken fin or dut, I wouldn't be able to think about it. How can you live a normal life knowing that maybe one day your penis might stop working or that your boobs might get bigger?! Messing with your hormones is not safe, not matter what is written on the forums.

[BigThinker]

But it's a lot safer to go with HT and concealers. I mean maybe that's just my opinion because I'm gyno prone and all. But anyway, if I had ever taken fin or dut, I wouldn't be able to think about it. How can you live a normal life knowing that maybe one day your penis might stop working or that your boobs might get bigger?! Messing with your hormones is not safe, not matter what is written on the forums.

I think regretting never at least trying fin/dut would be insufferable, as time goes on at the Norwood scale climbs. To each their own, of course.

I haven't even seen profound results and I'm still elated that I'm already 8 months dedicated (barring a 1 week break) and going strong. Instead of fretting the prospect of sides, I did my best to find resolve in taking action.

Will it pay off in the end? We'll see. Can't not fight though.

[ChrisM]

I think regretting never at least trying fin/dut would be insufferable, as time goes on at the Norwood scale climbs. To each their own, of course.

I haven't even seen profound results and I'm still elated that I'm already 8 months dedicated (barring a 1 week break) and going strong. Instead of fretting the prospect of sides, I did my best to find resolve in taking action.

Will it pay off in the end? We'll see. Can't not fight though.

Agreed and even more so the following a hair transplant people who have been successful have seen hair loss start over again. You know why ? The active biochemistry causing baldness clicked on by the genetic triggers in your chromosomes to activate after a certain age/ diet/ stress etcetera is still ongoing so you get a FUE or whatever. You spent thousands of dollars to reset the clock another 10 or 15 years max and then return to being bald unless you are taking Minoxidil, Finasteride, Dutasteride something internal to block the process utterly and reset it closing off the detrimental effect then you will always suffer from MPB. MPB is an internal hormonal irregularity that impacts men and women who hairlines androgen receptors are programmed with sensitivity given the commands to fallout and miniaturize and fall back. Taking nothing internally out of fear while having none of the side effects whatsoever or fear of what it might do to you sexually is unwarranted and it is that reluctance that will cause more time to pass while more of your hair falls out and the Norwood scale advances on you.