Started RU 3 Weeks ago

[hellouser]

Hairs continue to shed but the appearance of the hair line or thickness is not changing.

The regrowth is getting longer faster. As it continues to shed it appears hairs are coming in thicker. Ill update with pictures at the end of april early may

From February until end of March I was typically applying about 2-3ml of Kirkland's Minoxidil at 5%. Before that about 1-2ml from December to February and it was during this period that I shed a *lot* of hair, sometimes in the morning I would wash my hair and run my fingers through it with 20 or so single strands of hair in my hand.

In Mid february I added RU at 100mg/1ml once daily and the shedding reduced drastically. A few days ago I added CB at about 1-1.5% solution in about 1.2ml and my shedding has again been reduced.

The result?

My hair is still thin, regrowth cycle of a hair is at least 2 months so I'm not expecting any results yet, but I have noticed a considerable amount of hairs propping up right at the hairline. All of them are somewhat thin but only about 0.5cm in length and continually growing. They seem pretty thin though but I'm hoping they turn terminal.

I've been on Saw Palmetto as well (160mg twice daily until I ran out of those and now using 550mg once daily from Natures Harmony). Also in my regimen is Nizoral at 2% about 3-4 times a week.

I'm thinking of adding Keratene into the mix and potentially giving BNP-32 a go as well. Of all the treatments that are out there, BNP-32 gave the most impressive results, some of them even far better than histogen and aderans COMBINED. Hopefully there are no side effects (though there shouldnt be any since our body produces BNP-32 anyway).

I hope this info helps

[jlantern]

That helps a bit, but I can see some of the hairs on the fringe turning terminal. It seems to be a continual process of growth to shed to thicken that I seeing.

The area with the longest miniaturized hairs have taken shape and are becoming to get get thicker.

The areas that pre RU had no hair are starting to become visible as the hairs are getting longer. Its slow but steady. I dont think im going to add anything else to my arsenal at this point.

[Hairismylife]

From February until end of March I was typically applying about 2-3ml of Kirkland's Minoxidil at 5%. Before that about 1-2ml from December to February and it was during this period that I shed a *lot* of hair, sometimes in the morning I would wash my hair and run my fingers through it with 20 or so single strands of hair in my hand.

In Mid february I added RU at 100mg/1ml once daily and the shedding reduced drastically. A few days ago I added CB at about 1-1.5% solution in about 1.2ml and my shedding has again been reduced.

The result?

My hair is still thin, regrowth cycle of a hair is at least 2 months so I'm not expecting any results yet, but I have noticed a considerable amount of hairs propping up right at the hairline. All of them are somewhat thin but only about 0.5cm in length and continually growing. They seem pretty thin though but I'm hoping they turn terminal.

I've been on Saw Palmetto as well (160mg twice daily until I ran out of those and now using 550mg once daily from Natures Harmony). Also in my regimen is Nizoral at 2% about 3-4 times a week.

I'm thinking of adding Keratene into the mix and potentially giving BNP-32 a go as well. Of all the treatments that are out there, BNP-32 gave the most impressive results, some of them even far better than histogen and aderans COMBINED. Hopefully there are no side effects (though there shouldnt be any since our body produces BNP-32 anyway).

I hope this info helps

Could you please state how you prepare the CB and RU? with amount

[hellouser]

Could you please state how you prepare the CB and RU? with amount

For RU58841:
100mg of RU, 0.65ml ethanol and 0.35ml of PG

For CB:
10mg of CB, 0.5ml of ethanol and 0.5ml of PG

or

10mg of CB, 0.1ml of Oleyl and 0.9ml of PG

*Note, make sure to have form 1 of CB as form 3 is difficult to dissolve (which is what I have). Both forms fight against MPB though and are as effective.

[jlantern]

Update, Shedding today has slowed down to just about a halt. I have some minimal regrowth I am still hoping these hairs get thicker. Any have any advise for the 7-8 week mark, what to expect?

[hellouser]

Update, Shedding today has slowed down to just about a halt. I have some minimal regrowth I am still hoping these hairs get thicker. Any have any advise for the 7-8 week mark, what to expect?

You'll need at least 3 months to actually see anything at all. Just keep at it, hair grows sllooooowllllyyyy....

Eventually you should see results. Shedding is usually a sign that things are working or have worked. Just give your hair time to go through the growth cycle.

[jlantern]

The encouraging thought is only miniaturized hairs have shed. I hope in the next month they become replaced with visibly thicker hairs. lilpaulys timeline seems to have been 5 months before a dramatic improvement. I might consider CB

[hellouser]

The encouraging thought is only miniaturized hairs have shed. I hope in the next month they become replaced with visibly thicker hairs. lilpaulys timeline seems to have been 5 months before a dramatic improvement. I might consider CB

Try both!

My regimen right now looks like this:

At 8am:
Saw Palmetto (160mg-550mg depending on available pills)

At 6pm:
1-1.5ml of RU at 10% (so 100-150mg)

At 6:30-7pm:
1.5ml of Minoxodil at 5%

At 12 Midnight:
1-1.5ml of CB at 1% (10-15mg)

I always wash my hair at night and sometimes exfoliate my scalp before, this reduces the chances of CB in the vehicle having to go through extra dead skin and before sebum is produced.

[Cob984]

Hellouser any sides from RU?
I got brain fog on fin and also get it mildly on keratene but I dont experience it on saw palmetto strangely. Has anyone got brain fog on fin but not on RU?

[hellouser]

Hellouser any sides from RU?
I got brain fog on fin and also get it mildly on keratene but I dont experience it on saw palmetto strangely. Has anyone got brain fog on fin but not on RU?

No, none. No brain fog, no drop in libido, nothing. Its funny though, I noticed a drop in libido between january-february, so I got off of Saw Palmetto in February. At this time I also upped the RU dosage from 50mg to 100mg per 1ml and used Everclear as a proper vehicle. I went back on Saw Palmetto and in March my libido was raging high. My libido is down again right now, but it doesnt stop me from having solid erections.

I'm quite sure its Saw Palmetto messing with my libido.

[jlantern]

I can also attest I have no seen any libido drop while using RU. It seems you will have 3 months of shedding depending on your level of miniaturization. hellouser and I are at about 4 and 3 months out respectively. Both of our shedding has seemed to slow down. Regrowth I am guessing is another 2 months out, evidence of new hair is showing in both of our cases.

[hellouser]

I can also attest I have no seen any libido drop while using RU. It seems you will have 3 months of shedding depending on your level of miniaturization. hellouser and I are at about 4 and 3 months out respectively. Both of our shedding has seemed to slow down. Regrowth I am guessing is another 2 months out, evidence of new hair is showing in both of our cases.

I'm still shedding though. I went to the washroom to clean myself up after waking up. I ran my hand through my hair (front, vertex and crown) a bunch of times and about 20-30 hairs landed into my sink.

I took a shower and more hair came out as well.

My density doesn't seem to have gotten worse, but this could be due to the length of my hair. Once I go for a haircut I'll know better how things are going. I'm about 1 week into using CB as well.

I figure at this rate I'll still have a lot of hair within a couple of years, which is around the time both Aderans and Histogen will be commercially available (hopefully next year for Aderans). I'm still keeping my options open for a procedure with Gho however. If I get my hands on BNP-32 and give it a shot and get results similar to those from the 45 person trial, I'm not going to bother with Gho (that will save me LOTS of money).

The waiting period SUCKS though, doesn't it? Its like, your hair looks like shit now, it could look worse tomorrow or better, but have no clue IF it will look worse, of if it will maintain and no way of telling what the results could be if any... and when.

So frustrating.

[jlantern]

Hang in there. It wouldn't hurt to keep the hopes up. Shedding is usually a sign the treatment is working, dont me get me wrong. My shedding has really slowed down so im hoping for the best

[StayThick]

Where can somebody in the US purchase RU? Prefably a premade RU solution. MPB Treatments doesn't ship to the US so how is everyone purchasing their RU that live in the states?

Are you guys mixing yourselves? Excuse my ignorance, but I have no clue how to mix this stuff nor would I trust myself. That being considered, am I out of luck if I want to still try this. Any advice would be appreciated since I live in the US.

[hellouser]

Where can somebody in the US purchase RU? Prefably a premade RU solution. MPB Treatments doesn't ship to the US so how is everyone purchasing their RU that live in the states?

Are you guys mixing yourselves? Excuse my ignorance, but I have no clue how to mix this stuff nor would I trust myself. That being considered, am I out of luck if I want to still try this. Any advice would be appreciated since I live in the US.

A lot of people ask how to acquire, mix, apply, etc. RU58841, so this thread will hopefully answer a lot of questions.

Things You'll Need:

1) Get 10 grams of RU from Kane.

2) At the same time order off of eBay or Amazon a 0.001 gram digital scale. You NEED this to correctly measure 30-100mg of RU for each application. These typically cost between $20-30 US, heres the one I use: http://i50.tinypic.com/23j28wn.jpg

3) Buy yourself the following items at the drug store;
-1ml dropper ($2-3.00 max)
-100ml or more of propylene glycol (aka PG) (I paid $3.10 for 200ml)
-Everclear alcohol. Make sure it is 95% alcohol/190 Proof. http://tinypic.com/r/246rjmd/6

4) Obtain a very small bottle that holds no more than 20ml of liquid, you'll need this to make your daily mix of RU with PG and Everclear. I use a small 'Testors' bottle (I bought it containing paint but knew I would dump it out and use it for mixing RU). Refer here for my testors bottle:
Image: http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn....os/8804T-2.jpg

http://www.newcenturyhobbies.com/Testors_Decal_Setting_Solution_1_4_oz_Bottle_8804T_p/8804t.htm

Although, a company called 'Aztek' also makes small bottles, check here:
Image: http://www2.gpmd.com/image/t/tesr5330.jpg

http://www3.omnimodels.com/cgi-bin/woi0001p?&P=WR&I=TESR5330

5) Buy yourself a small measuring spoon, you don't need to go balls out on this, just get something cheap but SMALL even from a cheap 'Dollar Store'. You'll need to scoop up the RU powder somehow.

Note: here's an image of some of the stuff thats used in my arsenal against MPB:



Whats is a 'Vehicle' ?

RU powder cannot be applied directly on the scalp with the hopes of being effective. It needs to penetrate the skin and works it magic where the hair follicle lives. This can only be done when RU is mixed into a solution like Everclear or KB and dissolved completely. Your solution should end up looking completely clear. This is known as a vehicle. In this guide I show and explain how to use RU with Everclear. There is also another popular one (as mentioned previously) called KB. You can buy this in group buys or elsewhere (Kane, MPB Treatments) and mix RU in that. KB is a prepared vehicle, so you won't need to mix any alcohols and PG together which is a bonus, but the downside is you don't have control over the ratio between alcohol/pg.

How To Mix:

1) Using your digital scale and scoop, measure however much you'd like to use. Don't use more than 100mg *ever* although its good to start off for the first month or so at a higher dosage like 100mg only to kickstart the whole process and any potential regrowth. Make sure to use the TARE function when you've got your small plate on the scale, obviously this cannot be weighed as part of the RU powder so you'll need to be at 0.000 weight before beginning.

2) Dump the RU powder into your small bottle.

3) Using your 1ml dropper, pour 0.7ml of everclear into the bottle and let the RU mix with it for 10minutes or so. I typically mix the RU and everclear a little more by squeezing in and squeezing out the mixed solution with the dropper. Having it just sit doesn't desolve it completely. I do this for about 30 seconds though.

4) Using your 1ml dropper again, pour in 0.3ml of PG into the bottle and mix it again with the RU and everclear. I typically wait a couple minutes for it to mix in completely.

Youre ready to apply.

Application:

1) Its absolute BEST to apply mixed and prepared RU after youve washed your hair/scalp and your hair is completely dry. Try to apply it within 30 minutes of washing your hair because your scalp produces an oily substance called sebum which will lessen the efficacy of RU penetrating the skin and blocking DHT topically.

2) If using on your hairline, be aware that the RU solution is a bit watery so its best to apply WITHIN and behind the hairline. You'll want to preserve what may be receded but potentially also regrow any hair. This way, youre not just applying it the slick bald spots, you want to maintain as well! If you apply it just outside the hairline to regrow anything, you'll find that a lot of runs down your noggin and go to waste.

Tip: Exfoliate your scalp! This is actually good because it removes old skin and lets you fight DHT even better. Try to buy yourself an exfoliating cream. Theyre not too expensive, maybe $25 at the most but you won't use much of it anyway, just around the hairline/temples or wherever needed. I typically exfoliate before showering. Let the cream sit for about 1-2 minutes though.

Storage:

Keep your RU powder sealed and in the fridge or better yet in the freezer to have the efficacy last for as long as possible. I've read that RU can withstand several weeks in normal room temperature before it goes bad, but don't risk that and just store it in the fridge/freezer. Also, make sure it is kept AWAY from light and sealed tight blocking out air. I have mine stored in a small plastic bottle closed tight but I also put the bottle into a ziplock bag as well and in the fridge.

Notes:

Try not to buy anything thats an 'all-in-one' as the efficacy in that is pretty much crap compared to fresh daily batches of mixed RU. Its best to do this process every day, but 3-5 days worth of batches prepared is fine as well. It is tedious at first, but soon enough it will become pretty quick and you wont need to use the digital scale and you'll end up just eye-balling it. Again, try to store it in the fridge and away from light and air. I suppose one of those old 35mm film roll containers could work quite well against light, but keep it double sealed regardless.

How long will RU58841 last?
It depends on the concentration. The higher concentration, the better the efficacy, the shorter it will last you and the more its going to cost you. Its also going to depend how many times a day you apply and if you apply more than 1ml per application. 10mg of RU in 1ml is useless. Don't expect results. 20mg isnt going to do much either, so don't bother. I wouldn't go below 50mg.

I've upped my dosage to 100mg/1ml and apply once daily. So, do the math;

10grams (10,000mg) / 100mg = 100 applications

Since I use RU once daily, that obviously gives me 100 days worth of usage, so a little over 3 months. If you buy from Kane, 10g will cost you $225, or $75/month.