why the need to regenerate donor hair? Why assume that it is only able to regrow hair in still hairy regions? Have they ever tried just injecting into a completely bald person?
11-25-2012 06:30 PM
Delphi
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Originally Posted by maxhair
Zeiring said the patients he injected did not improve by as much as a whole grade on the Norwood scale, so even if he's telling the whole truth and not over-hyping it, so far, it sounds fairly useless.
Histogen's photos have always been suspect.
Then Replicel had all the flash website and graphics and announced results that were even more pathetic than Histogen's, so we're all trying to get excited about Histogen again.
Now Zeiring is getting shirty about Histogen's critics.
Zeiring has shown with this outburst, it doesn't work.
Let's hope these start ups with almost cures go bust, allowing one company to buy out all the scientific knowledge from the others, leading towards an actually effective treatment.
It's people like you who make these experts and researchers not want to share their information with us. You're so short sighted it's unbelievable. Ziering is good enough to provide these interviews and at one time he was even posting on this site but jerks like you ****ed that up for us too. Keep it up, we'll all be left in the dark soon.
11-25-2012 06:31 PM
Breaking Bald
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Originally Posted by 2020
why the need to regenerate donor hair? Why assume that it is only able to regrow hair in still hairy regions? Have they ever tried just injecting into a completely bald person?
I'm not assuming anything, I am just saying that is an added bonus for people that have had HT's. Did you listen to the interview??? Joe asked that question.
11-25-2012 06:32 PM
Breaking Bald
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Originally Posted by Delphi
It's people like you who make these experts and researchers not want to share their information with us. You're so short sighted it's unbelievable. Ziering is good enough to provide these interviews and at one time he was even posting on this site but jerks like you ****ed that up for us too. Keep it up, we'll all be left in the dark soon.
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11-25-2012 07:06 PM
maxhair
Intercytex gave up on being capable of finding a viable cure, so sold its knowledge to Aderans or whoever. Great! Aderans might be closer to having all the missing pieces of the puzzle.
Histogen is toning down claims - so it doesn't really work - fine! They have something though (like Replicel), so instead of us lot over-eagerly providing them artificial life support by gossiping and hoping, let them keep their secrets to themselves, go bust, then sell their secrets to each other at rock bottom prices, for an eventual cure.
Drug companies routinely lie about efficacy anyway - I could do without the distraction of interim bullshit.
Zeiring hasn't got round to posting pictures of the potential cure he's seeing results on, but will do so once he's sorted his CDs into alphabetical order. Yeah right.
11-25-2012 09:01 PM
Kiwi
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Originally Posted by maxhair
Intercytex gave up on being capable of finding a viable cure, so sold its knowledge to Aderans or whoever. Great! Aderans might be closer to having all the missing pieces of the puzzle.
Histogen is toning down claims - so it doesn't really work - fine! They have something though (like Replicel), so instead of us lot over-eagerly providing them artificial life support by gossiping and hoping, let them keep their secrets to themselves, go bust, then sell their secrets to each other at rock bottom prices, for an eventual cure.
Drug companies routinely lie about efficacy anyway - I could do without the distraction of interim bullshit.
Zeiring hasn't got round to posting pictures of the potential cure he's seeing results on, but will do so once he's sorted his CDs into alphabetical order. Yeah right.
Go f))k yourself. Nobody here wants to listen to your noob bull crap.
Histogen and Adrerans are NOTHING like Replicel. And that just proves to us old timers what a rim job you really are.
Go do your research. Come back in a few months. Stop poisoning this site with your misinformation.
11-25-2012 09:24 PM
rdawg
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Originally Posted by maxhair
Intercytex gave up on being capable of finding a viable cure, so sold its knowledge to Aderans or whoever. Great! Aderans might be closer to having all the missing pieces of the puzzle.
Histogen is toning down claims - so it doesn't really work - fine! They have something though (like Replicel), so instead of us lot over-eagerly providing them artificial life support by gossiping and hoping, let them keep their secrets to themselves, go bust, then sell their secrets to each other at rock bottom prices, for an eventual cure.
Drug companies routinely lie about efficacy anyway - I could do without the distraction of interim bullshit.
Zeiring hasn't got round to posting pictures of the potential cure he's seeing results on, but will do so once he's sorted his CDs into alphabetical order. Yeah right.
Yes because he and Histogen gain so much from lying about a product 3-5 years before it's release. They already have investors, they dont need anymore of that.
seriously annoying when I see guys like you posting this extreme negativity, or when you guys and others take an interview out of context, focus on one point(such as it hasnt caused a norword grade to go up, ignoring that he said results have been great so FAR but they are working out the kinks and still in the efficacy phase. Ignoring that he said vellus hairs turn terminal which is substantial alone.)
Like Ziering said, it's guys like this that make these companies not want to show results early on, because they only want a NW7-NW0 product, anything inbetween is "useless".
11-25-2012 09:33 PM
Breaking Bald
I agree, seriously maxhair just **** off!! I am so sick and tired of people like you bringing this forum down. It's infuriating!!!!
11-25-2012 10:00 PM
Dan26
Histogen alone is not a 'cure', but stop pretending this isn't a HUGE for us bald bozo's. In theory it is crucial in repairing inherently important issues underneath the skin and around the follicles to encourage regrowth. The results we want to see will come soon.
Max hair go do some research bro! Follastin alone 'grows' hair and VEGF and KGF sustain that growth to a degree. I'm not 100% sure how effective Histogen will be over a long period of time, and I really do expect it to cost more than most people can afford. It works though, and with things like CB and something to address PDG2 levels + friggen transplants, if you want your precious hair in 4-6 years time you'll be able to get it back.
PS All you jackass doctors out there stop doing FUT's NOW...
11-25-2012 10:21 PM
inspects
I was reading through the initial 150+ pages of this thread, its not really any wonder why any doctor in his right mind would add anything beneficial to this thread after reading all the posts following the initial post which go off in tangents not even closely related to the original meaning of Spencer's interview or this thread.
Winston should have made it public knowledge any disparaging remarks would be dealt with accordingly, similar to what was posted regarding the Gho interview.
Histogen is still testing, etc; its probably many years away before possibly coming to fruition in the USA, but surely better than nothing in regard to a cell based hair product.
