Absolute shit

The means by which we are able to treat hair loss are absolute shit.

I would sooner be able to transmit this forum post to the baldtruth through thought than have an effective way to prevent hair loss.

I'm mad. Moreover, I'm devastated. I'm disgusted.

I want you to get mad. I feel like we need to make some sort of push here.

LOL, and people get angry with me when I say Finasteride is a shit treatment for hair loss.

20 years since Fin's inception and to this day its the best we've got. Talk about FAILURE to produce a PROPER treatment.

Its because of fin that there aren't better treatments. Certain molecules that topical AA's like CB RU derived from etc were discovered long ago but there was never really any market for them as they would have to compete with fin, which at the time was thought to be as safe and as effective as a topical AA....:confused:

I totally agree with these threads. It is absolutely ridiculous that we do not have a cure or an effective treatment for a disease that afflicts so many people. There is a reason that only about 5% of people seek today's treatments for hair loss and it's not because they don't care about losing their hair. It's because today's treatments are utter horses**t.

But as I've said plenty of times before, I don't think most peole in the hair loss industry are interested at all in a cure for hair loss. And the majority of them sure as hell aren't doing anything to work towards a cure. They are making obscene amounts of money with their hair transplants and they do not want to mess with good enough.

Take all your anger out on the dermaroller and dermaroll your scalp the **** out! :p

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Originally Posted by DepressedByHairLoss

But as I've said plenty of times before, I don't think most peole in the hair loss industry are interested at all in a cure for hair loss. And the majority of them sure as hell aren't doing anything to work towards a cure. They are making obscene amounts of money with their hair transplants and they do not want to mess with good enough.

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Sounds like the oil industry strongly resisting the introduction of solar energy. I'm sure that comparison has been made here before.

If we can develop electric cars against the wishes of the oil industry, then we can cure hair loss against the wishes of the hair loss industry. Of course, the planet isn't being threatened by Global Thinning, so the pressures are different.

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Originally Posted by Banana Republic

Sounds like the oil industry strongly resisting the introduction of solar energy. I'm sure that comparison has been made here before.

If we can develop electric cars against the wishes of the oil industry, then we can cure hair loss against the wishes of the hair loss industry. Of course, the planet isn't being threatened by Global Thinning, so the pressures are different.

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That is a completely ridiculous analogy. Sure there are individual hair transplant doctors that make great money, there are snake oil salesmen, and then there are minox and fin which were colossal failures for the pharma industry. None of these people/companies have any power to prevent future hairloss treatments from coming to market.

However your suggesting that the most profitable, most powerful industry in the history of man, the energy sector, is the same as the hairloss industry is retarded. The energy sector has thousands of lobbyists in the U.S. and Europe, makes trillions of dollars each year, have formed numerous profit and non-profit organizations to promote pseudo-science and create doubt about climate change, there is absolutely no equivalent in the hairloss industry. Is there a baldness lobby? No. The idea that somehow "the man" is suppressing viable treatments is stupid, no on cares about baldness or thinks there is a profit to be made in various treatments that get abandoned, nothing more, nothing less. There is no great baldness conspiracy theory.

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Originally Posted by greatjob!

That is a completely ridiculous analogy. Sure there are individual hair transplant doctors that make great money, there are snake oil salesmen, and then there are minox and fin which were colossal failures for the pharma industry. None of these people/companies have any power to prevent future hairloss treatments from coming to market.

However your suggesting that the most profitable, most powerful industry in the history of man, the energy sector, is the same as the hairloss industry is retarded. The energy sector has thousands of lobbyists in the U.S. and Europe, makes trillions of dollars each year, have formed numerous profit and non-profit organizations to promote pseudo-science and create doubt about climate change, there is absolutely no equivalent in the hairloss industry. Is there a baldness lobby? No. The idea that somehow "the man" is suppressing viable treatments is stupid, no on cares about baldness or thinks there is a profit to be made in various treatments that get abandoned, nothing more, nothing less. There is no great baldness conspiracy theory.

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Woah....

Rude.

Lol, good points ;)

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Originally Posted by clandestine

The means by which we are able to treat hair loss are absolute shit.

I would sooner be able to transmit this forum post to the baldtruth through thought than have an effective way to prevent hair loss.

I'm mad. Moreover, I'm devastated. I'm disgusted.

I want you to get mad. I feel like we need to make some sort of push here.

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I feel your pain I'm on the verge of quitting fin it's been effecting my mental health as well as weight gain ill be bald buy the end of the year o well that's life

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Originally Posted by hellouser

LOL, and people get angry with me when I say Finasteride is a shit treatment for hair loss.

20 years since Fin's inception and to this day its the best we've got. Talk about FAILURE to produce a PROPER treatment.

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Yeh it's shit if you've already high on norwood scale before start fin. If you start early its pretty much a cure assuming you don't get side effects. Starting early is pretty much the key to all treatments today and I think its gona stay that way for quite some time even CB-03-01 will be preventative.

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Originally Posted by thechamp

I feel your pain I'm on the verge of quitting fin it's been effecting my mental health as well as weight gain ill be bald buy the end of the year o well that's life

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there is no conspiracy.

If anything HT surgeons are losing money due to fin as it shuts out those that can't tolerate it.

Histogen will get us through this, have faith.

(coming from one of the most sceptical people on here).

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Originally Posted by UK_

Histogen will get us through this, have faith.

(coming from one of the most sceptical people on here).

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They seem to have stalled mate.

Histogen hasn't stalled, where's the evidence of that? Gail seems to be working with that guy from Skin Medica.

Histogen seems to lack all the PR bullsh.it of Aderans (and to a lesser extent Replicel) which I think is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by garethbale

Histogen hasn't stalled, where's the evidence of that? Gail seems to be working with that guy from Skin Medica.

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Doing what?

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Originally Posted by yeahyeahyeah

Doing what?

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Can't remember the exact link or what they're doing but it was posted on here a few weeks ago.

Maybe it's part of Skin Medica's payment terms after losing the court battle.

LOL


You need to be a scientist in order to be able to think about making a treatment.

Being bald won't make you a candidate for finding a cure for baldness.

Sometimes i see here people trying to make a "magic portion" for curing baldness, i believe baldness is not really your major problem, but stupidity.

I enter this site to find updates about future treatments, but not to make a cure all by myself. lol

As a bald guy, you could do nothing but applying minoxi or taking propecia.
as a scientist, well you can try something.

Go read something useful, live your life, make some one happy.

You should all complain about it some more. That will help.

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Originally Posted by youngin

You should all complain about it some more. That will help.

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Tell that to women, the sex that actually gets sympathy and results.

Anyone else heard the stories about dca. An anti cancer drug that's been researched to prevent most types of the disease more effectively than surgery, yet apparently the health industry snubbed it due to it being something they can't patent and make money off.
May not be true but it wouldn't surprise me if they have discovered effective treatments yet don't use them just because they'd rather rape everyone of money.

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Originally Posted by gainspotter

Anyone else heard the stories about dca. An anti cancer drug that's been researched to prevent most types of the disease more effectively than surgery, yet apparently the health industry snubbed it due to it being something they can't patent and make money off.
May not be true but it wouldn't surprise me if they have discovered effective treatments yet don't use them just because they'd rather rape everyone of money.

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Pharmaceutical companies would never allow a cure for cancer. They're in the business to keep you just healthy enough to still be sick and buy their drugs. If a full out cure were to ever come out, you can be sure the yuppy businessmen pig CEO's would throw a temper tantrum of epic proportions and send in all the lobbyists they could afford.

Just like Aderans prefers to sell their fvcking wigs and stone age hair transplants over a stem cell treatment. They have no integrity. The only way to make them change their stance is to make them experience hell in THIS lifetime, because otherwise, they're getting off scot free and essentially living a life with all the benefits and privileges money could buy them... AT OUR EXPENSE.

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Originally Posted by hellouser

Pharmaceutical companies would never allow a cure for cancer. They're in the business to keep you just healthy enough to still be sick and buy their drugs. If a full out cure were to ever come out, you can be sure the yuppy businessmen pig CEO's would throw a temper tantrum of epic proportions and send in all the lobbyists they could afford.

Just like Aderans prefers to sell their fvcking wigs and stone age hair transplants over a stem cell treatment. They have no integrity. The only way to make them change their stance is to make them experience hell in THIS lifetime, because otherwise, they're getting off scot free and essentially living a life with all the benefits and privileges money could buy them... AT OUR EXPENSE.

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Agreed. Money is more important that anything nowadays

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Originally Posted by hellouser

Pharmaceutical companies would never allow a cure for cancer. They're in the business to keep you just healthy enough to still be sick and buy their drugs. If a full out cure were to ever come out, you can be sure the yuppy businessmen pig CEO's would throw a temper tantrum of epic proportions and send in all the lobbyists they could afford.

Just like Aderans prefers to sell their fvcking wigs and stone age hair transplants over a stem cell treatment. They have no integrity. The only way to make them change their stance is to make them experience hell in THIS lifetime, because otherwise, they're getting off scot free and essentially living a life with all the benefits and privileges money could buy them... AT OUR EXPENSE.

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To follow up, the same logic should be put in place with hair loss. Once a cure is out, here's whats going to happen:

Every generic minoxidil producer regroups on what to do with their product. Only buyers would be those who cannot afford a cure.
BIM, Histogen, Aderans, Replicel, Follica all are rendered more or less useless.
Hair transplant surgeons go out of business unless they implement new practice.
Snake oil salesman will finally have no reason to try and sell their bullshit.
Gho won't have reason to charge $15,000 for a ridiculous 1,600 graft transplant (the fvck??).
Nigam and whether or not he's legit won't matter.
Nizoral will lose some sales though still make some for anti-dandruff consumers.
Cosmo's anti-androgen product will take a hit, although this is the only one out of all products that would have a chance of staying on the market due to its (on paper) efficacy and no sides. I say this because a cure will PROBABLY be expensive and CB would be a more affordable way to maintain.
And with CB being the only viable treatment...
Merck and their sexual poison pill finasteride will finally be discontinued (except for treating BPH).

Man, the change of the market would be incredible. I can see why so many of them are shaking in their boots at the thought of Lauser and Tsuji Labs.

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Originally Posted by hellouser

To follow up, the same logic should be put in place with hair loss. Once a cure is out, here's whats going to happen:

Every generic minoxidil producer regroups on what to do with their product. Only buyers would be those who cannot afford a cure.
BIM, Histogen, Aderans, Replicel, Follica all are rendered more or less useless.
Hair transplant surgeons go out of business unless they implement new practice.
Snake oil salesman will finally have no reason to try and sell their bullshit.
Gho won't have reason to charge $15,000 for a ridiculous 1,600 graft transplant (the fvck??).
Nigam and whether or not he's legit won't matter.
Nizoral will lose some sales though still make some for anti-dandruff consumers.
Cosmo's anti-androgen product will take a hit, although this is the only one out of all products that would have a chance of staying on the market due to its (on paper) efficacy and no sides. I say this because a cure will PROBABLY be expensive and CB would be a more affordable way to maintain.
And with CB being the only viable treatment...
Merck and their sexual poison pill finasteride will finally be discontinued (except for treating BPH).

Man, the change of the market would be incredible. I can see why so many of them are shaking in their boots at the thought of Lauser and Tsuji Labs.

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That's why they will probably never release a cure
We can only hope someone succeeds, it would completely turn the industry on its head.
I think it would be interesting if people start to get very positive results from derma/minox combo, all we'd need was a safe alternative to fin and its bye bye money grabbing scalp butchers.

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Originally Posted by gainspotter

That's why they will probably never release a cure
We can only hope someone succeeds, it would completely turn the industry on its head.
I think it would be interesting if people start to get very positive results from derma/minox combo, all we'd need was a safe alternative to fin and its bye bye money grabbing scalp butchers.

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The current market would be shattered, but a new one would emerge. Not one company would just administer the cure, there would be plenty, so a crop of new clinics would emerge.

Out with the old, in with the new.

Having said that, I absolutely despise everyone in the current market... they've done next to JACK SHIT for us except for finasteride. What a god damn joke.

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Originally Posted by hellouser

The current market would be shattered, but a new one would emerge. Not one company would just administer the cure, there would be plenty, so a crop of new clinics would emerge.

Out with the old, in with the new.

Having said that, I absolutely despise everyone in the current market... they've done next to JACK SHIT for us except for finasteride. What a god damn joke.

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+1 on being p1ssed off with them jokers, yet I get p1ssed off with myself for having to rely on them every single day and think about giving in to them every time I look in the mirror.
Fcuking hate going bald!

I don't see why it is so hard to clone hair follicles in this day and age and inject them into the scalp with no issues.

Can you move the thread in the area of the forum where people talk about the aliens backing Merck and cry all day?

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Originally Posted by Thinning87

Can you move the thread in the area of the forum where people talk about the aliens backing Merck and cry all day?

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Agreed, and you can call the forum sub-category "Tin Foil Hat Land"

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Originally Posted by Thinning87

Can you move the thread in the area of the forum where people talk about the aliens backing Merck and cry all day?

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i'm inclined to agree as well, but without the attitude. this probably belongs in the hair loss rants or coping with hair loss section. clan i know you get onto people who post stuff in the cutting edge section that's best suited for another section. let's just keep this little corner of btt on point the best we can.

You're entirely right, con.

My posting in this section was on purpose, though.

oh, i know.

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Originally Posted by clandestine

You're entirely right, con.

My posting in this section was on purpose, though.

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Some of us need to vent sometimes. Or all the time.

And someone needs to be blamed for the lack of a proper treatment and cure for hair loss. They need to be called out for their failures.

Focus that energy on creating something positive for yourself and your closest friends and hair won't make a difference in the long run.

However we are going to have to let go of some things we had before e.g. Flirting/getting smiles from women. But that's not all in life.

Sorry Hellouser but at some point you have to try to limit the amount of time you spend thinking about it. I know it's really hard but being angry just won't do you any good.

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Originally Posted by Thinning87

Focus that energy on creating something positive for yourself and your closest friends and hair won't make a difference in the long run.

However we are going to have to let go of some things we had before e.g. Flirting/getting smiles from women. But that's not all in life.

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That's pretty depressing tbh. If you can't flirt with women, how are you supposed to get them.

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Originally Posted by Californication

That's pretty depressing tbh. If you can't flirt with women, how are you supposed to get them.

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Might as well castrate yourself.

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Originally Posted by Californication

That's pretty depressing tbh. If you can't flirt with women, how are you supposed to get them.

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Well whatever it is that you did before wont be as easy, that's my point. But there are bald men out there who get laid you know? I buzzed my hair to a one 7 monthsnago and although i lookmbetter now it really wasnt the end of life... But let's not go into it as we've all had this conversation before and have our opinions

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Originally Posted by Thinning87

Well whatever it is that you did before wont be as easy, that's my point. But there are bald men out there who get laid you know? I buzzed my hair to a one 7 monthsnago and although i lookmbetter now it really wasnt the end of life... But let's not go into it as we've all had this conversation before and have our opinions

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Oh I agree with that, definitely be harder, definitely turn off some women. I just don't agree with the notion that bald = can't flirt with women: I haven't been bald yet and obviously it sucks, I'm not downplaying it, but that's ***** talk. But yeah, not relevant to this thread.

There is an absolutely astronomical fortune to be made for anyone who figures out a more effective treatment for hereditary hair loss. Far more than could be made by shelving new products. Companies are working long and hard and dumping tons of money into trying to figure this out and be the first to market. The problem is that it is not as easy as ya’ll want to believe it to be. Reality sucks but it is what it is. Do the best you can with what we have now and hope for the best in the future. Meanwhile stop dwelling on this and move on with your life.