That's very interesting, I have thought the same thing, as I get quite horny when taking ritalin or adderall. However, I think that whole thing about buproprion being a libido enhancer is overblown. I can't remember where I read that. In any case, ADHD medications are stronger and more serious, especially for long-term use. But it would be interesting to explore the link between prolactin, dopamine, and DHT further.
What is estradiol's effect on prolactin?
In any case, to the OP, you could try an aromatase inhibitor. Not exactly ideal though.
Bupropion isn't a libido enhancer exactly. It is just a libido and performance restorer when that function has been killed by SSRIs. It won't do anything if you don't have a problem to begin with. Unlike the anti Parkinsons drugs which will turn you into a sexual superman.
12-05-2012 09:35 AM
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12-05-2012 09:37 AM
Dan26
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Originally Posted by Tracy C
It's not misinformation.
Tracy, it is misinformation. I'm not going to post the studies, charts, numbers etc, but anyone who has done their research on fin knows what you stated is false.
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Originally Posted by Tracy C
What you are doing here is very unethical.
Is it really? This is a public forum where we share knowledge and information. Of course I am being cheeky when I say 'join the dark side'. All I really mean by that is I will direct them to certain literature.
I think what you do is more unethical to be honest. You recommend seeing 'doctors that specialize in hair loss'. You know what will happen if people take your advice? They will go to a doctor, get prescribed finasteride, not be fully warned about the potential harm, and not have baseline blood and hormone tests done (which they need). Just because they are doctors, that doesn't mean they are capable of doing no wrong. Doctors are human beings like the rest of us. There are the lazy ones, stupid ones, dismissive ones, self-important ones etc.
The better advice is to tell people to educate themselves; direct them to legitimate sources and studies. It will empower them, so that when they do go to their doctor, armed with the right information and questions to ask, they can have some meaningful discourse, and not just blindly follow instructions.
12-06-2012 01:43 AM
Tracy C
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Originally Posted by Dan26
Tracy, it is misinformation.
No it isn't.
12-06-2012 03:13 AM
unk
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Originally Posted by Tracy C
No it isn't.
I'm sorry but it is, unless there was a very recent study which I don't know about. A little humility would go a long way.
12-06-2012 03:29 AM
unk
To OP, I think you've made the right moves with a low intermittent dose and gauging your response. It's unfortunate you aren't side free. I doubt however that you will find a solution to your question that you are hoping for.
As obvious as it sounds, I think you have to decide whether the side effects are worth whatever DHT inhibition you are getting. Consulting a medical professional who has more expertise than you would be a wise move (not necessarily a general doctor), particularly if through them you are able determine your DHT/total T/free T/estrogen. That way you might have a much better picture of what finasteride is doing to your DHT level. Theoretically, there should exist a dose at which your DHT is less significantly lowered to the point at which big sides would dissipate. You just have to find the right doctor/specialist. I haven't done this myself.
12-06-2012 10:45 AM
Dan26
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Originally Posted by unk
To OP, I think you've made the right moves with a low intermittent dose and gauging your response. It's unfortunate you aren't side free. I doubt however that you will find a solution to your question that you are hoping for.
As obvious as it sounds, I think you have to decide whether the side effects are worth whatever DHT inhibition you are getting. Consulting a medical professional who has more expertise than you would be a wise move (not necessarily a general doctor), particularly if through them you are able determine your DHT/total T/free T/estrogen. That way you might have a much better picture of what finasteride is doing to your DHT level. Theoretically, there should exist a dose at which your DHT is less significantly lowered to the point at which big sides would dissipate. You just have to find the right doctor/specialist. I haven't done this myself.
Take this advice brother. And it may be wise to embellish your physical symptoms to your doctor, in order to give him good reason to order these tests. I am speaking from experience, I tried the honest approach and was not able to get everything I need. Say you are tired, low libido, low energy, brain fog, watery semen etc, even pop the question of a referral to a endo/uroligist. You need to get a full picture of your health, then make decisions from there.
12-11-2012 01:14 PM
Conpecia
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Originally Posted by Tracy C
Really?.. That's not even enough to have any effect at all so you might as well quit and learn how to accept your hair loss and live your life to the fullest anyways. It can be done. Men have been doing so since the beginning of recorded history.
Hey Tracy,
I appreciate your activity on this forum and your efforts to help people out, but I honestly think you are too much of a fundamentalist and linear thinker in your responses.
To say that because I cannot take 1mg of propecia every day I should just give up and learn how to accept going bald is a drastic and potentially harmful statement that could dishearten a lot of us who don't respond well to fin. It is also poor counsel.
While there is little doubt that fin is the most effective hair loss remedy, what you ignore in your statement is the following:
1. It is feasible that I can take fin in combination with something that mitigates my particular sides. (hence the purpose of this thread)
2. You do not know my level of hair loss, nor how far it may progress. It is very feasible that my hair loss could stabilize by 30 (I'm not THAT bald, just receding hairline and a bit of thinning that hasn't gotten much worse in about 6 years), in which case a good hair transplant would absolutely solve my hair loss problems 100 percent regardless of fin.
3. You are not considering Dr. Gho's ability to regenerate donor hair, which would, supposing my hair loss does progress, allow me to at least get basic coverage if not much better, as I have a very, very good donor area.
4. For whatever reason, you fail to mention all of the treatments in the pipeline that will meet your hypersensitive loyalty to FDA approval and clinical testing within the next 5-10 years.
Not to mention the plethora of gray market treatments that are apparently working for many would-be baldies across the world. I don't need to formally rely on these for the sake of the point I'm making, and there is indeed the possibility of long term side effects, but there's equally the possibility that they work without long term sides.
****The truth of the matter is I will most likely never be completely bald, nor will ANYONE my age at my level of hair loss, unless he or she refuses to or is fiscally unable to do something about it.****
There are too many realistic options and the science is progressing at too quick a level for there to not be a superior treatment available by the year 2020 at the absolute latest. And there is reason to believe that something exists to minimize my fin sides. And there is nothing stopping me from one day getting a hair transplant to address my hairline, then supplementing the other areas (should they even need supplementing, which they do not as of now) with Dr. Gho's procedure.
Again, I respect what you do for this community, but telling someone to just deal with it and accept baldness is not productive in this particular context, nor is it accurate. If EVERYTHING fails I will indeed move on and enjoy my life, but there are simply too many choices at this point.
12-11-2012 01:33 PM
Conpecia
For the gyno I am considering 3 options:
1. Surgery (issue here is will it come back or does it permanently go away?)
2. Myomin (issue here is effectiveness. I was taking about 2 pills a day and I didn't have a real gyno outbreak the entire 3 months I was taking Myomin; my chest even looked better. However I ran out and immediately felt chest pain. So there's at least some argument it was helping, and I've read that I should have been taking around 9 of these pills a day instead of 2. This will most likely be my next route.)
3. Letrozole (issue here is safety, but tons and tons of bodybuilders use Letrozole to cure gyno. I will go this route if the Myomin regimen fails.)
My main concern is the testicular pain and epidydimitis. Gyno sucks but can be treated. I have mild sexual sides but I also have an over-active libido so the decrease actually helps me lol. Unfortunately I have no clue how to get rid of chronic epidydimitis and this is the main reason I'm trying to find a fin alternative (which may be cetirizine if we're really really lucky).
I'll start with the Myomin and report back. Wish me luck.
