1.No secret he was losing his hair for a while, but fair play to him for not keeping this a secret. What are peoples opinions of this hair clinic? Having one of the most iconic footballers as a client is a big endorsement. Also - after sneiders FUE, does FUE look like a better way when money isn't an obstacle.
2.The article mentions him taking pills and lotion - i think we can assume this is propecia and rogaine. If you look at him over the years, his hairline continued to deteriorate; implying these treatments didnt work - what will this mean for his hair post-op?
3. Also could we make a list of footballers who have undergone hair transplants. I know ryan giggs and w.sneider have.... but who else?
06-04-2011 04:20 AM
Follicle Death Row
Hmmm. Wouldn't have thought he'd give a toss about it. Could he be pranking us. We'll have to see.
06-04-2011 05:10 AM
jooder
If it is true, it will no doubt inspire others to follow suit.
Whether this is a good or a bad thing remains to be seen. Certainly, a mediocre result while loaded up on drugs to maintain that mediocrity may not be the best decision.
06-04-2011 06:25 AM
standbyme
Some of the pics on their site look decent but again there probably the best ones. I'm sure the fact its wayne rooney he would have had specialist attention.
Guess someone with that amount of loss in the spotlight cant really hide a HT, but he has been open about his hairloss in the past so its no surprise.
I dont think its a joke pictures were taken of him leaving the clinic. Not sure I'd have picked a UK HT surgeon though.
06-04-2011 07:19 AM
Winston
It’s so difficult for me to understand why these celebrities don't do their research or at least have someone do it for them.
06-04-2011 10:35 AM
Dutch_Dude
to be honest, i really don't think most celebrities go to the clinics that are the best. you don't see a lot of celebrity in holland going to feriduni or hasson and wong (or even prohair in antwerp, which isn't bad), but they all go to Gho...money has nothing to do with transplants: you've all seen jeremy piven...they mostly go to the clinic that's been profiling themselves the most i think...
06-04-2011 11:03 AM
UK_
Sure he can afford it on £250,000 a week.
06-04-2011 12:11 PM
mattj
Ryan Giggs has had a transplant?
06-04-2011 01:39 PM
Follicle Death Row
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Originally Posted by mattj
Ryan Giggs has had a transplant?
Probably not. He has supposedly been trying finasteride, minoxidil and LLLT for awhile. His hair definitely improved for a bit but I think he's back on the downward slope again.
06-04-2011 02:26 PM
Dutch_Dude
which clinic did rooney go to?
and i don't know many clinics that charge 250.000 per session...also, today you can pay transplants on a monthly bases, because most people don't have 50.000 euro (for example) to give away at once.
06-05-2011 11:29 AM
UK_
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Originally Posted by Dutch_Dude
which clinic did rooney go to?
and i don't know many clinics that charge 250.000 per session...also, today you can pay transplants on a monthly bases, because most people don't have 50.000 euro (for example) to give away at once.
No, thats his salary, he earns £250,000 a week.
I think he paid close to £40k for the transplant according to some twitter messages and he went to the Harley Clinic in London, a place loads of rich greedy ugly dickheads go - I think the clinic specialises in nose jobs hence the location :D (**** off PC brigade).
It's definitely going to be interesting to see how his growth timeline fits with training and the upcoming season. Yikes, for the first time ever I might actually tune into some games.
06-06-2011 11:54 AM
Ćelo
Good for Rooney. I just saw the article myself. Looks good so far, and we know he needed A LOT of follicles transplanted as he lost most of his hair. I am still stunned with the numbers, though. 30000 GBP = almost $50,000. That's a lot of money...bad news for us 'commoners' :)
06-06-2011 06:17 PM
Jimmyrblue
could this be a big deal??
This could seriously change everything!!!
If this turns out to be true and we see Rooney scampering around the pitch scoring with a head covered with thick hair how many people will follow in his footsteps?? The flood gates could open, think about it!! How may 20 something balding footie fans will think ‘well if he can do it and get away with it why not me?’
I know that there have been some crazy figures thrown around, some saying it cost him 20 or 30 grand, but I can tell you now you can get a decent HT for about 6 or 7 grand. A guy in his 20’s could get a loan and afford that! Instead of the new car you get on credit how about a new hair line that could last you a life time??
I know we’ve had other famous people come out of the HT closet, but they have tended to be older and less in the spot light. Rooney is smack bang right in the spot light every week!! He’s a young English idol that kids and young men lookup too!!
Once the nay-Sayers and spiteful voices die down what will be left will be bloke that lets face it looks better and probably feels better as well. Possibly a defining moment that could change how people think about HT.
06-06-2011 06:47 PM
CVAZBAR
Was this FUE?
06-06-2011 07:06 PM
Jimmyrblue
Maybe?
I have no idea, I would guess If he ever wanted to wear his hair very short again it probably is. but this is just me guessing, He seems to want to be open and honest about it so i dont see why he wouldn't tell all at some point wait and see.
06-06-2011 07:17 PM
Follicle Death Row
Yes it's FUE.
06-06-2011 08:35 PM
Jimmyrblue
How do you know for sure?
06-06-2011 08:53 PM
Follicle Death Row
That's the procedure that the clinic do. Unless he had a special strip surgeon and team brought in.
06-06-2011 09:01 PM
Jimmyrblue
Sorry, havent been following this story closely, which clinic did he go too?
06-06-2011 09:16 PM
Follicle Death Row
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Originally Posted by Jimmyrblue
Sorry, havent been following this story closely, which clinic did he go too?
Harley Street Hair Clinic. FUE only there. No idea who the doc is. They say a norwood 7 only needs 6300ish (according to their graft calculator). Yeah right. How convenient too because that's the borderline max you can extract by FUE alone over a lifetime. Surprised he went there. Could have popped over to Dr. Feriduni in Belgium.
06-06-2011 09:26 PM
Jimmyrblue
I'm pretty new too all of this, having only been looking at HT's seriously for the past few months but it amazes me how much coverage they seem to get from one source usually around the side and back of the head if its a FUE option. It just doesn't add up too me. Do you think they take hairs from other parts of the body?
06-06-2011 10:10 PM
Follicle Death Row
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Originally Posted by Jimmyrblue
I'm pretty new too all of this, having only been looking at HT's seriously for the past few months but it amazes me how much coverage they seem to get from one source usually around the side and back of the head if its a FUE option. It just doesn't add up too me. Do you think they take hairs from other parts of the body?
Well they don't replace the hairs one for one. Let's say you have an area around your head in the donor zone of approximately 33cm x 8cm (for a NW6, NW7 will be smaller). That will give you 264cm2 of donor area for FUE. The density at the back will be higher than the density at the sides so let's say 75 FU/cm2 average. That works out at 19,800 FU in the donor area. Call it 20,000. Now I reckon you can safely take 30% of that by FUE without donor thinning or the moth eaten look. That gives you 6,000 to move to the top of your head. Some people say you can move 50%. If that's the case you can have 10,000FU. A norwood 6 may have to cover 240cm2 of bald scalp. Native pre MPB density is about 90FU/cm2. So a norwood 6 will lose 21600 FU. For arguments sake we'll say you can extract 40% (8,000). 8000 spread over 240cm2 gives an average density of 33.33FU/cm2. Ignore the crown at put those 8,000 in 140cm2. That gives 57 FU/cm2. You need 45 FU/cm2 and above to avoid the see through thin look. Of course hair colour, shaft diameter, and curliness are factors but it's still by and large a numbers game. An ever expanding canvas and a limited amount of paint and all that.
I happen to currently think ignoring the crown and spunking the 8,000 on the other 140cm2 and buzzing down to a one might be a better option than stripping out for 9,000 and having a thin appearance all over. I say that because the first option could really give someone a nice not too high dense highline and the crown might hold up for years. Something else might come along, Aderans or Histogen too. With the strip you could never go down to a one if you didn't like the grown out thin results. Admittedly you could probably never shave off completely with FUE either.
06-07-2011 04:54 AM
standbyme
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Originally Posted by Jimmyrblue
This could seriously change everything!!!
If this turns out to be true and we see Rooney scampering around the pitch scoring with a head covered with thick hair how many people will follow in his footsteps?? The flood gates could open, think about it!! How may 20 something balding footie fans will think ‘well if he can do it and get away with it why not me?’
I know that there have been some crazy figures thrown around, some saying it cost him 20 or 30 grand, but I can tell you now you can get a decent HT for about 6 or 7 grand. A guy in his 20’s could get a loan and afford that! Instead of the new car you get on credit how about a new hair line that could last you a life time??
I know we’ve had other famous people come out of the HT closet, but they have tended to be older and less in the spot light. Rooney is smack bang right in the spot light every week!! He’s a young English idol that kids and young men lookup too!!
Once the nay-Sayers and spiteful voices die down what will be left will be bloke that lets face it looks better and probably feels better as well. Possibly a defining moment that could change how people think about HT.
You just hope if those young people research it first and realise having a HT in your 20's is not necessarily the best road, also you would hope they choose a top clinic. It may well make more people aware of HT but the concerns are it will lead to more botch jobs.
06-07-2011 07:55 AM
67mph
I can only applaud wayne rooney for doing this, i suddenly have the upmost respect for him.
For someone like this (huge public figure) to come out can only inspire us guys right?
Wayne rooney is doing alot of the leg work here & he's a living case in study...hats of to u Wayne, haa!
06-07-2011 10:46 AM
standbyme
He could have tried to cover the fact and maybe stated he was on fin but the fact he was photographed outside the clinic pretty much ended that chance. Not sure why you are applauding him for this the fact he's in the public eye probably made him think about his appearance even more, plus he has huge financial advantages over most. I'd have more respect for him if he accepted it and didnt care.
06-07-2011 11:24 AM
Dutch_Dude
hair transplants are not only for the elite nowadays...people with a normal job can afford them too. you can pay on a monthly basis...to be honest i also think it's pretty cool...what wayne rooney did...for sportsfigures it's also very atypical...it's a new trend!
06-07-2011 11:56 AM
Follicle Death Row
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Originally Posted by Dutch_Dude
hair transplants are not only for the elite nowadays...people with a normal job can afford them too. you can pay on a monthly basis...to be honest i also think it's pretty cool...what wayne rooney did...for sportsfigures it's also very atypical...it's a new trend!
Despite some of the scummy things he's done in the past he's always been open about his hairloss and not afraid to talk about it or light of his hair situation. He really worked on his heading game for a few years and when they asked him about how he improved that part of his game he jokingly said "the ball is now coming off my head better because of my bald patch." I say good for him.
06-07-2011 12:02 PM
Dutch_Dude
yes i do remember him as an aggressive player...too bad he didn't play against barcelona ;).
a lot of sporters actually go bald very young...i think half of the dutch national team is already bald...except the old coach :P. maybe testosterone?
06-07-2011 12:26 PM
Follicle Death Row
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Originally Posted by Dutch_Dude
yes i do remember him as an aggressive player...too bad he didn't play against barcelona ;).
a lot of sporters actually go bald very young...i think half of the dutch national team is already bald...except the old coach :P. maybe testosterone?
Epigenetics also. Environmental influences or diet can accelerate MPB. I wouldn't say more Dutch people have the genes for MPB, it's just that they might bald younger due to diet and lifestyle. No question that an active lifestyle and exercise will ramp up T and DHT. Diet and epigenetics may also explain why you guys are so damn tall. I'm 1.85m but that's the average nowadays for Dutch men from what I've read.
06-07-2011 01:27 PM
67mph
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Originally Posted by standbyme
He could have tried to cover the fact and maybe stated he was on fin but the fact he was photographed outside the clinic pretty much ended that chance. Not sure why you are applauding him for this the fact he's in the public eye probably made him think about his appearance even more, plus he has huge financial advantages over most. I'd have more respect for him if he accepted it and didnt care.
Why should he not care & get on with it?
Standbyme, if u were to practise what you preach you wouldn't even be on the bald truth forum right?!
We can watch how this pans out, gives us hope, its a big step towards stamping out the stigma, give him his dues, blimey.
Keep up your research, regards
06-07-2011 01:42 PM
Dutch_Dude
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Originally Posted by Follicle Death Row
Epigenetics also. Environmental influences or diet can accelerate MPB. I wouldn't say more Dutch people have the genes for MPB, it's just that they might bald younger due to diet and lifestyle. No question that an active lifestyle and exercise will ramp up T and DHT. Diet and epigenetics may also explain why you guys are so damn tall. I'm 1.85m but that's the average nowadays for Dutch men from what I've read.
Haha...I think in most countries MPB is accelarating...stress is also a factor...and radiation. Yes we are the tallest people of Europe with an average male height of 1m81 and female height of 1m69 i believe...
06-07-2011 03:02 PM
Follicle Death Row
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Originally Posted by Dutch_Dude
Haha...I think in most countries MPB is accelarating...stress is also a factor...and radiation. Yes we are the tallest people of Europe with an average male height of 1m81 and female height of 1m69 i believe...
Yeah I'd love to see data. I reckon we are balding younger. My father didn't start thinning until 34. I'm 25 now (norwood 2/2.5ish) but I've been thinning since about 21/22 I'd say albeit slowly but it's speeding up now. So I got a 12 or 13 year head start on the old man. In that case I should be norwood 6 by 30. :(
06-07-2011 03:48 PM
UK_
Id agree with this, cant believe how many people are thinning these days - its crazy, every guy in my family and most of my friends are experiencing it.... but nobody talks about it... but I know in their privacy they're probably on all the forums looking for updates lol.
06-07-2011 04:15 PM
Follicle Death Row
The unfortunate thing is in my extended family which is a big one, neither grandfather, no uncles or cousins have the damn baldness. Neither has my brother. Myself and my father are the only ones. My father has no idea where his baldness came from. Probably the milkman. :D
06-07-2011 06:27 PM
Jcm800
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Originally Posted by Follicle Death Row
The unfortunate thing is in my extended family which is a big one, neither grandfather, no uncles or cousins have the damn baldness. Neither has my brother. Myself and my father are the only ones. My father has no idea where his baldness came from. Probably the milkman. :D
I've got no idea where my mpb comes from..no-one in my family is or was bald..
**** I've got an older brother than me with a hairline like Action
Man who's nearly 50!! How fkn angry does that make me?!
Yeah, Milkman has crossed my mind too ;)
06-07-2011 06:36 PM
Jcm800
:p
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Originally Posted by UK_
Id agree with this, cant believe how many people are thinning these days - its crazy, every guy in my family and most of my friends are experiencing it.... but nobody talks about it... but I know in their privacy they're probably on all the forums looking for updates lol.
There's an old song by The Jam called 'Private Hell' not about hairloss at all but could be taken in that context.
They're all going thru their own private hell, it's ****in true ;)
Off topic, but your post reminded me of my days listening to that band and my wicked old Paul Weller hairdo lol.
2.The article mentions him taking pills and lotion - i think we can assume this is propecia and rogaine. If you look at him over the years, his hairline continued to deteriorate; implying these treatments didnt work - what will this mean for his hair post-op?
I think I remember reading once that propecia was on the anti-doping list, so he could not take it until recently (after it was removed from the list)
06-08-2011 01:40 AM
standbyme
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Originally Posted by 57mph
Why should he not care & get on with it?
Standbyme, if u were to practise what you preach you wouldn't even be on the bald truth forum right?!
We can watch how this pans out, gives us hope, its a big step towards stamping out the stigma, give him his dues, blimey.
Keep up your research, regards
I'm not saying I've accepted it, obviously not, but I dont see why some celeb should be praised for having a HT, surely people in the spotlight who dont concern themselves with appearance should be praised, nothing wrong with those who have sugery but wouldnt it be a better place if less emphasis was placed on looks? Then there wouldnt be a stigma at all.
06-08-2011 05:05 AM
Dutch_Dude
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Originally Posted by Follicle Death Row
Yeah I'd love to see data. I reckon we are balding younger. My father didn't start thinning until 34. I'm 25 now (norwood 2/2.5ish) but I've been thinning since about 21/22 I'd say albeit slowly but it's speeding up now. So I got a 12 or 13 year head start on the old man. In that case I should be norwood 6 by 30. :(
well...what's really funny is that my grandfather from my mother's side never went bald. but my cousin's from my mother side, as well as i, are all balding...at very young ages (i had a receding hairline since i was 16 or 17...but only now it's beginning to be visable (i'm 23)). my dad on the other hand is 62 and has the hairline of a teenager...so you see a lot of older people with intact hairlines, but A LOT of young people who are thinning at like 18-22. in a way it makes me feel good like i'm not alone...on the other hand it's pretty sad.
