• 04-20-2012 11:40 AM
    fitness-man
    Robot Hair transplant - 4.23.2012
    Super excited...super nervous.

    scheduled to get 2000 graphs with the robot and dr.harris.

    4.23 - 1000 graphs
    4.24 - 1000 graphs

    I will be posting pics and since a frequent this site a lot will be posting lots of before/after and maintenance pics.
  • 04-20-2012 11:57 AM
    gillenator
    Best wishes to you fitnessman and we will look forward to your updates!:cool:
  • 04-20-2012 12:13 PM
    VictimOfDHT
    You mean "grafts".
    Are the fees different ? More, less than by hand ? I'd like to hear about the results.
  • 04-20-2012 04:55 PM
    northeastguy
    Best wishes as well and keep us posted.
  • 04-20-2012 06:06 PM
    kd
    good luck buddy!
  • 04-23-2012 07:01 PM
    fitness-man
    haha...yes grafts..lmao! thx.

    i think its cheaper with the robot.

    update due to a complication - i am getting 2k grafts ;) on 4.24 - i hope
    i would of rather of had it done in one day anyways...

    let you guys all know tomorrow night with an aching head :(
  • 04-24-2012 07:49 AM
    Winston
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fitness-man View Post
    Super excited...super nervous.

    scheduled to get 2000 graphs with the robot and dr.harris.

    4.23 - 1000 graphs
    4.24 - 1000 graphs

    I will be posting pics and since a frequent this site a lot will be posting lots of before/after and maintenance pics.

    Hope all goes well, keep us posted!
  • 04-24-2012 02:23 PM
    topcat
    Fitnessman you wrote “ I think it’s cheaper”

    How long have you been researching ht in particular fue? Do you know the difference between the hand punch, mechanized devices and robotic systems? Are you familiar with the different size punches used for this procedure? Just trying to get an idea of how much research you have performed.

    Good luck with the outcome and looking forward to see your pictures.
  • 04-24-2012 05:13 PM
    northeastguy
    I'm a bit curious about the cost myself. I believe the Cost of these systems are about Half a Mil. On top of that, there is a royalty charge of $1 a graft. I can't see it being that much of a savings. Although, it depends who your comparing costs to.

    keep us posted!
  • 04-24-2012 11:19 PM
    fitness-man
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    DAY 1 : Dr. Harris Robot TP

    I have been researching HT since last year.

    dr. harris is on this site as a IAHRS Surgeon and the ONLY one in CO.
    Denver is a 40 min drive.

    Dr. Harris and his staff were nice and very friendly when I first walked in the door for a test procedure back in Jan.

    Anywho...back to today. 7am start to about 7pm.
    total of a little less than 2k grafts.

    The procedure was fine...by the time I left I was full of energy and ready to go dancing. My head is numb, there is ZERO pain. i was given an IV and a vicadin later in the evening but I wasnt really in any pain..the only pain i had was when they were numbing me up. that $hit sucks!

    i am attaching 2pics of the frontal areas. the donor sites have a bandage on them that im not suppose to remove until tomorrow.
  • 04-24-2012 11:31 PM
    fitness-man
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by topcat View Post
    Fitnessman you wrote “ I think it’s cheaper”

    How long have you been researching ht in particular fue? Do you know the difference between the hand punch, mechanized devices and robotic systems? Are you familiar with the different size punches used for this procedure? Just trying to get an idea of how much research you have performed.

    maybe cheaper was the wrong word...lets try ... not as expensive as hand punch :confused:

    i think from what i read before in this thread is the robot is 1mm and the other hand devices are .8mm - do you think from 10 feet away you can tell well that person was done by the robot, etc? i am just asking .. i have no idea myself.

    honestly, from what i gather most people who are not balding dont even look at or pay attention to another guys hair. i know i didnt when i was NOT balding. but not that I am...thats the first thing i look at is a guys hair .. balding or not balding...daym I wish I had his hairline line...i want a mohawk too and be cool...sign me up for spikey hair.
  • 04-25-2012 12:27 AM
    VictimOfDHT
    Wow ! They gave you an IV ? Why?
    I hope all goes well and you'll be happy with the results.

    Just curious, how does this work? Does the robot make the punches and put the grafts in or what?

    You haven't said if it's cheaper than traditional (by hand) grafts.
  • 04-25-2012 03:29 AM
    topcat
    Fitnessman I was just trying to determine how much you know about the procedure and how long you have been researching. My questions were answered, thank you.

    Wish you the best in your outcome. Would be nice to see the donor area after it’s all been healed but most are not going to shave that area down a second time to take pictures which I also understand.

    The only issue with the punch size is that the 1mm is about 50% larger in surface area when compared to the .8 which does tend to increase the risk of white dotting in the donor area. For some this is not a problem as they grow their hair long enough to cover it.
  • 04-25-2012 09:06 AM
    fitness-man
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VictimOfDHT View Post
    Wow ! They gave you an IV ? Why?
    I hope all goes well and you'll be happy with the results.

    Just curious, how does this work? Does the robot make the punches and put the grafts in or what?

    You haven't said if it's cheaper than traditional (by hand) grafts.

    they put the IV tube in me...then before we started they injected a needle of something in it...next thing i know i was waking up and head was all punched up. they did this this twice as i woke up the first time. my pants were still on and my organs werent harvested so i can complain :D

    when i awoke the second time i was facing the screen on the computer and could actually see the whole process. I guess they puts something down on your head to mark off a square so the robot knows not to go outside of the boundaries. then they highlight the area grey, they can change the area smaller or bigger. it was so magnified that even me a few feet away could identify 1's, 2's, 3's, 4's - they click on a hair follicle which places a green first on it and the hand punches down the extracts the hair follicle. after it was done more green dots come up and i think the machine was saying these are some good other possible candidates, the tech either clicked a green or made there own green dot.

    i am not sure what happens after it is grabbed, it is stored some place by the computer.

    dr. harris and his team put in the graphs. this part i dont think technology is there yet. due to the positioning of the graph and this process seems alot more intense. whatever the robot did this process seemed like it took 3x as long.
  • 04-25-2012 09:16 AM
    fitness-man
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by topcat View Post
    Fitnessman I was just trying to determine how much you know about the procedure and how long you have been researching. My questions were answered, thank you.

    Wish you the best in your outcome. Would be nice to see the donor area after it’s all been healed but most are not going to shave that area down a second time to take pictures which I also understand.

    The only issue with the punch size is that the 1mm is about 50% larger in surface area when compared to the .8 which does tend to increase the risk of white dotting in the donor area. For some this is not a problem as they grow their hair long enough to cover it.

    here is a picture of me this last saturday 4-21. can you tell where the robot test procedure was done? my hair is shaved in the back on #1 setting but the clipper maxed out all the way the night before.

    i am pretty sure 110% of the people there couldnt tell you i had a test procedure done with the robot.
  • 04-25-2012 09:22 AM
    fitness-man
    And I dont take propecia or rogaine...but when the hair is nice and ready..I will use rogain religously :D
  • 04-25-2012 02:25 PM
    topcat
    Fitnessman your research seems to be rather limited and your attitude very casual just an observation and not meant as an insult. I would like to know if punch sizes were explained to you and why sometimes they do in fact matter? Would you also please tell us your age?
  • 04-25-2012 02:52 PM
    fitness-man
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by topcat View Post
    Fitnessman your research seems to be rather limited and your attitude very casual just an observation and not meant as an insult. I would like to know if punch sizes were explained to you and why sometimes they do in fact matter? Would you also please tell us your age?

    i am 37.

    i am happy to get it over it and want 3 months to pass

    no punch sizes were not explained. but there was a thread on here about people bickering back and forth...i think people thought 1.1 was used but 1.0 was used.

    ok..here are some pics from the donor area i just removed the bandages about 5 minutes ago.
    If i had said I got a HT from IAHRS XX via FUT...after seeing the results would you or anyone would of questioned and been like...no you got that done by the robot you cant fool us?
  • 04-25-2012 03:12 PM
    fitness-man
    this is close to something like what i was looking for.. Dr Lindsay I think does incredible work (my opinion) and this guys donor site looks like mine and the doc actually use 1.0 AND 1.1 punch sizes.

    http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=6659

    topcat...I am searching the result forum and looking for people who had FUT and about 2k grafts for comparisons in donor sites...if you see any others please link them here.
  • 04-25-2012 03:14 PM
    topcat
    Thank you, I would have guessed you to be much younger. Best wishes on the outcome.
  • 04-27-2012 01:42 PM
    fitness-man
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    Day 3 pics.

    had my brother cut my hair ... except for the top.

    took a shower and latered up the scalp and let the hand held show drip on it to remove it all.

    no pain - feeling good.
  • 04-28-2012 05:38 AM
    topcat
    Fitnessman, punch sizes matter. Below is a blown up view of what a 1mm punch would look like compared to a .75 punch. The difference in square area is drastic even though the slight difference in number size would lead many to believe it doesn’t matter. I have included a photo of white dotting from a 1 mm punch along with my own result where a .75 mm hand punch was used to extract fue from my face. Approximately 400 from a very concentrated area which would be close to 10,000 fue if the same area was used where the white dotting is shown. Below that is a illustration that might be helpful for others.

    Could please provide better pictures and insert them directly into the thread. The thumbnails are of limited value.

    http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...1/100_1500.jpg

    http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...itedotting.png

    http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...fter500fue.jpg

    http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...1/fuechart.jpg
  • 04-28-2012 10:56 AM
    northeastguy
    Great point Topcat..... Good photos. Question to ask those who have had 1mm punches used (photo 2), is this the typical scarring seen by most that have had FUE...Or is it less common? Obviously, these are results I'd be unhappy with. Regardless of how long I wear my hair. (on a totally differant subject, SMP does a great job hiding scarring like this. Allmost becomes undetectable). I have to think anyone who doesn't value the importance of punch sizing is missing the big picture. Until evidence is shown to evaluate the production of scarring from various punch sizes, I would always stress using the smallest punch possible without increasing the risk of transection. For me it's common sense. Dr Epstein pointed out in this thread, it is essentially the overall O.D. that is the magic number and not the I.D which is the number used to identify the tool.

    http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8307

    Makes complete sense. If a .80 punch is being used but the overall thickness of the tool is .2mm wider than a 1mm punch they are essentially producing the same size hole.....something to think about. I'd like to see some evaluation by Dr's who have used a variety of punch sizes on each patient and determine whether there is a significant difference in terms of healing. Is there a difference in scar size for a punch that is .80 compared to .90 compared to 1mm.....and so on? Is there a point where punch sizes get so small they are irrelevant in terms of being a cosmetic improvement?
  • 04-28-2012 01:37 PM
    topcat
    The picture I posted of the white dot scarring is very mild from the many I have seen over the years. I posted this particular picture just out of convenience and that is why the smaller punch matters. Smaller hand punches become a time consuming process that’s providing the doctor even has the skill to use it and most do not. But most importantly it becomes a money losing proposition for most clinics. So it’s either speed up the process or not offer it at all.

    I think if you look at SMP under high enough magnification you will see that the size of the dot is huge almost 3-4 times the diameter of the surrounding follicles. I think it might be beneficial in extreme cases of scarring but that’s about it.

    And of course the wall thickness of the punch matters I assume the reader knows this but I suppose many might not be as familiar with mechanics so I should have probably been a bit clearer. Sometimes I assume too much.

    As far as studies on the size of punches and the scarring all one needs to do is search through the past 10 years of results and it becomes easier to figure out. I knew very well 7-8 years ago that I would only accept a punch at or near .75mm
  • 05-01-2012 04:55 PM
    fitness-man
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    1 Week pics!

    Still lots of scabs on top. I sud up my head very lightly when washing..not really touching it, just floating on top.

    more than likely start posting weekly pics.
  • 05-01-2012 05:34 PM
    northeastguy
    thanks for the pics fitnessman. your healing well and looks good. You might want to contact the facility in regards to washing. I'm pretty sure it is very safe to be a little aggressive cleaning your scalp at this point. you should be able to scrub off those scabs by now....even use a little conditioner. conditioner with Biotin is best. I'm not 100% sure of the exact time frame, but I think the grafts are pretty well set after 72 hours. call and ask.

    If you haven't added Biotin, Vit E, and SMS to your diet it will help with the hair growth. all can be bought at your local pharmacy. SMS you may need to get online. A place like vitacost.com is great for all this stuff.

    Best of luck....
  • 05-01-2012 05:36 PM
    fitness-man
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by northeastguy View Post
    If you haven't added Biotin, Vit E, and SMS to your diet it will help with the hair growth. all can be bought at your local pharmacy. SMS you may need to get online. A place like vitacost.com is great for all this stuff.

    Best of luck....

    thank you sir! appreciate the info...will look into those STAT! :D

    biotin the shampoo or pills?

    what is sms? i looked on that site and it didnt trigger anything.
  • 05-01-2012 06:37 PM
    northeastguy
    LOL... sorry, my fingers were going a bit to fast there. Its MSM not SMS. If your a gym guy, you may notice it helps you out with soreness. It's also a natural anti-inflamitory. Since our focus is hair growth, it's going to help. I would take biotin as a supplement and in the conditioner. I take 5000mcg 2X day of biotin. it's cheap enough. The Vit E I use is tocomin suprabio. there's some research out there about the benifits it has on hair growth....you can take it for what it's worth. regardless, Vit E is great for the hair and skin. Especially when your healing.

    hope that helps....
  • 08-01-2012 08:51 AM
    fitness-man
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    3 months and 2 weeks update.

    using minox w/carepost (<-generic latisse) mixed in (thx tracey) - biotin
  • 08-01-2012 09:03 AM
    Winston
    Fantastic results for only 3.5 months! Please continue to keep us posted.
  • 08-04-2012 10:05 PM
    Rizzo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scorpion View Post
    How much did it cost you?

    Seems like a lot of people don't want to discuss that. I myself am wondering how much those 2k grafts cost too?
  • 05-04-2013 12:35 PM
    csoul
    Cost of Dr Harris drafts
    Dr. Harris charge $8 per draft. Does not matter if he use the ARTAS Robot or regular manual FUE.

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