stop bitching and whining. at least 21 people (and maybe more than 30) are going to trial this, it didn't cost them a dime. the inventor of this method payed for everything: the products, shipping etc etc. i have never ever seen this in my entire life. can you name me one other person in the hairloss industry who conducted the same thing? stop trolling and wait for the participants to either grow hair or not.
I agree we should be working as a community to help find a solution to a cure.
08-17-2014 10:34 AM
hellouser
There's a published paper with a patent on the use of chlorine dioxide for hair growth:
Currently involved in hair growth process of chlorine dioxide used in patents U.S. Patent US5750108, Publication date was May 12, 1998, the patent discloses a concentration of 100-1000PPM chlorine dioxide solution through the scalp treated with the method for male hair loss hair growth hormone. The patent mentioned, chlorine dioxide can inhibit 5 α reductase, thus eliminating DHT; chlorine dioxide at the same time be able to stimulate growth of new hair follicles, but also has anti-dandruff effect. However, due to low concentration of chlorine dioxide does not play maximum capacity, so there is no significant improvement in hair growth effect situation. Chinese Patent Application 201010129785.4 "containing chlorine dioxide shampoo" (Publication No. CN101785745A, Publication date of July 28, 2010) discloses a method for removing chlorine dioxide dandruff shampoo. The present invention utilizes only the bactericidal effect of chlorine dioxide.
So, looks like its another topical DHT inhibitor, at least.
Also note that Regenix uses a similar approach. Here's the patent on that:
stop bitching and whining. at least 21 people (and maybe more than 30) are going to trial this, it didn't cost them a dime. the inventor of this method payed for everything: the products, shipping etc etc. i have never ever seen this in my entire life. can you name me one other person in the hairloss industry who conducted the same thing? stop trolling and wait for the participants to either grow hair or not.
So anybody who adds less than positive information is "bitching"? What am I complaining about actually? I made no complaints.
I just think it's probably not all that effective from the pictures I've seen. I'll be glad if I'm wrong, and I'll pay top dollar to get it.
08-17-2014 05:24 PM
oppenheimer82
Quote:
Originally Posted by kantian
So anybody who adds less than positive information is "bitching"? What am I complaining about actually? I made no complaints.
I just think it's probably not all that effective from the pictures I've seen. I'll be glad if I'm wrong, and I'll pay top dollar to get it.
no worries mate, i forgive you.
08-17-2014 09:41 PM
hellouser
Well, I hate to burst everyone's bubble but I looked into the chlorine dioxide evidence and the guy behind it appears to be another Nigam. Here's what I found:
He posted two images, one 'before' and one 68 days 'after' photo. However, looking into the EXIF data on the image shows the photos are only TWO days apart:
When translated to English, it claims that the treatment for the hair loss is via stem cells (no such treatment exists).
The photos searched for were found on Hair Loss Help in the chlorine dioxide thread with liuxuewu's 'evidence' shown on this page 2 which can be found here:
Well, I hate to burst everyone's bubble but I looked into the chlorine dioxide evidence and the guy behind it appears to be another Nigam. Here's what I found:
He posted two images, one 'before' and one 68 days 'after' photo. However, looking into the EXIF data on the image shows the photos are only TWO days apart:
When translated to English, it claims that the treatment for the hair loss is via stem cells (no such treatment exists).
The photos searched for were found on Hair Loss Help in the chlorine dioxide thread with liuxuewu's 'evidence' shown on this page 2 which can be found here:
LOL. when arashi finishes the Gho exposing website he can just continue with the chloride guy.
08-18-2014 01:18 AM
oppenheimer82
Quote:
Originally Posted by hellouser
Well, I hate to burst everyone's bubble but I looked into the chlorine dioxide evidence and the guy behind it appears to be another Nigam. Here's what I found:
He posted two images, one 'before' and one 68 days 'after' photo. However, looking into the EXIF data on the image shows the photos are only TWO days apart:
When translated to English, it claims that the treatment for the hair loss is via stem cells (no such treatment exists).
The photos searched for were found on Hair Loss Help in the chlorine dioxide thread with liuxuewu's 'evidence' shown on this page 2 which can be found here:
good find man! Although he claimed in hlh thread that chloribe dioxide works like a stem cell treatment. He gave out all these samples to people. Let
08-18-2014 01:20 AM
oppenheimer82
them try it out first and then we can truly say if this is legit or not. Again a very good find
08-18-2014 08:43 AM
rhysmorgan
Quote:
Originally Posted by hellouser
Well, I hate to burst everyone's bubble but I looked into the chlorine dioxide evidence and the guy behind it appears to be another Nigam. Here's what I found:
He posted two images, one 'before' and one 68 days 'after' photo. However, looking into the EXIF data on the image shows the photos are only TWO days apart:
When translated to English, it claims that the treatment for the hair loss is via stem cells (no such treatment exists).
The photos searched for were found on Hair Loss Help in the chlorine dioxide thread with liuxuewu's 'evidence' shown on this page 2 which can be found here:
them try it out first and then we can truly say if this is legit or not. Again a very good find
I wouldn't recommend trying it. Curious if there's any dangerous levels of dioxin?
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08-26-2014 01:22 PM
oppenheimer82
i too will be trialling this substance. the guy has send out samples to 48 (!) people. he's making quite the effort.
08-26-2014 01:42 PM
gainspotter
Question is, when will you be getting these samples?
09-09-2014 01:45 AM
Hairismylife
Any updates?
09-15-2014 05:43 PM
NeedHairASAP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hairismylife
Any updates?
"I definitely think using CD without DMSO is a more aggressive approach. My scalp purged that sticky substance again after my shower this evening, even though i didn't use any CD on my scalp today. So that definitely tells me it's time to take a break for now and observe. I am happy enough so far, my scalp purging and flattening this last few days is the most encouraging thing i have seen yet in any treatment i have used because it seems to have deflated that dome like shape and pulled/packed my existing healthy hairs closer and tighter against each other.
I don't know if i can buy into the whole cell regeneration from chlorine dioxide thing but i wouldn't rule it out either. What i am experiencing is a cleaning out of the scalp from beneath the scalp which is allowing my follicles to breathe again and is allowing that dome like swelling to deflate, personally i think it is that sticky substance that my scalp has been purging that is responsible for that inflated shape and over the years a gradual stretching of the scalp skin that may have been giving an over all diffused look throughout the scalp especially in the raised up areas, take it for what it's worth, anecdotal, I am very happy that i took the plunge and went with my gut instinct with making CD at home and i believe that there is alot more positive news to follow in the coming days/weeks as my scalp continues to purge itself.
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11-18-2014 09:38 PM
LexLuthor
these pictures look soooo fake. And i emailed this guy Liu about his product and he tried to charge me 125 for 3 months. MMS is only $25 bucks lol sounds like another scam to me
01-20-2015 01:44 PM
Jazz1
Quote:
Originally Posted by LexLuthor
these pictures look soooo fake. And i emailed this guy Liu about his product and he tried to charge me 125 for 3 months. MMS is only $25 bucks lol sounds like another scam to me
MMS might probably work, do not doubt the stuff like colloidal silver cure/MMS cured my UC.
04-13-2015 07:02 AM
noisette
Quote:
Originally Posted by diffuseloser
This guy doesn't give up.
Yes... And I want to write a comment on his indiegogo page, and our comments are private messages lol. Impossible to leave a message for everyone. ;) :rolleyes:
04-13-2015 07:26 AM
liuxuewu
Quote:
Originally Posted by noisette
Yes... And I want to write a comment on his indiegogo page, and our comments are private messages lol. Impossible to leave a message for everyone. ;) :rolleyes:
Be careful, because this is the same guy with his chlorine dioxide hair growth promoting solution, which IS DOESN'T WORK.
SNAKE OIL until there are REAL and RESULTS.
Do you use my product? How do you judge useless.
04-13-2015 07:31 AM
Hairismylife
Quote:
Originally Posted by liuxuewu
Do you use my product? How do you judge useless.
Show us proof
04-13-2015 08:05 AM
Seuxin
liuxuewu,
It's simple. We know here you was the man who provide the Chlorine dioxyde solution there is a few month.
We didn't see any good resultst...
So, please explains here what is the difference with that new product ( if there is really differences).
Thanks
04-13-2015 08:49 AM
Conpecia
there has been ample time for the many people who have tried this product to come forward with results. none of them has done so. not one. liu, no one should give you money or time until you return with clear photographs showing results. by now you should have 50-100 people showing results and there is nothing. why?
04-13-2015 09:28 AM
Terry Mancini
Liu, come on mate?
If your product was any good you would have convinced some geezer or big business with plenty of readies to form a joint venture.
No doubt you would be wearing £10,000 suits and crocodile skin shoes for your weekly apppearance on talk shows were you would be laughing at Robert De Neros jokes, though you aint got a clue what hes really saying
We want genuine scientific evidence, not your hear say or some picture of you on the front of Time magazine sandwiched between two beautiful women who are six inches taller than you.
04-13-2015 10:28 AM
Futurocabeludo
I do not say that the product does not work
I use and I notice results however small
When ending 12 months or a little more I'll show the photos before and after
04-13-2015 10:52 AM
noisette
Quote:
Originally Posted by liuxuewu
Do you use my product? How do you judge useless.
Not, I don't want to put your product on my head, my scalp when I saw the testers heads lol.
Please, feel free to show us your results.
04-13-2015 10:54 AM
noisette
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Mancini
Liu, come on mate?
If your product was any good you would have convinced some geezer or big business with plenty of readies to form a joint venture.
No doubt you would be wearing £10,000 suits and crocodile skin shoes for your weekly apppearance on talk shows were you would be laughing at Robert De Neros jokes, though you aint got a clue what hes really saying
We want genuine scientific evidence, not your hear say or some picture of you on the front of Time magazine sandwiched between two beautiful women who are six inches taller than you.
Hahaha as always, you are funny bro. It's exactly the same thing about this.
04-13-2015 03:00 PM
NeedHairASAP
At the very least, he should let people know that, before they get alleged regrowth, ALL of their hair is going to fall out and they'll have burns on their scalp...
Is that still how this works?
04-14-2015 08:17 AM
liuxuewu
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedHairASAP
At the very least, he should let people know that, before they get alleged regrowth, ALL of their hair is going to fall out and they'll have burns on their scalp...
Is that still how this works?
Cell. 2015 Apr 9;161(2):277-90. doi: 10.1016/j.cell.2015.02.016.
Organ-level quorum sensing directs regeneration in hair stem cell populations.
Chen CC1, Wang L2, Plikus MV3, Jiang TX4, Murray PJ5, Ramos R3, Guerrero-Juarez CF3, Hughes MW6, Lee OK7, Shi S8, Widelitz RB4, Lander AD9, Chuong CM10.
Author information
Abstract
Coordinated organ behavior is crucial for an effective response to environmental stimuli. By studying regeneration of hair follicles in response to patterned hair plucking, we demonstrate that organ-level quorum sensing allows coordinated responses to skin injury. Plucking hair at different densities leads to a regeneration of up to five times more neighboring, unplucked resting hairs, indicating activation of a collective decision-making process. Through data modeling, the range of the quorum signal was estimated to be on the order of 1 mm, greater than expected for a diffusible molecular cue. Molecular and genetic analysis uncovered a two-step mechanism, where release of CCL2 from injured hairs leads to recruitment of TNF-α-secreting macrophages, which accumulate and signal to both plucked and unplucked follicles. By coupling immune response with regeneration, this mechanism allows skin to respond predictively to distress, disregarding mild injury, while meeting stronger injury with full-scale cooperative activation of stem cells.
04-14-2015 11:00 AM
noisette
Quote:
Originally Posted by liuxuewu
Cell. 2015 Apr 9;161(2):277-90. doi: 10.1016/j.cell.2015.02.016.
Organ-level quorum sensing directs regeneration in hair stem cell populations.
Chen CC1, Wang L2, Plikus MV3, Jiang TX4, Murray PJ5, Ramos R3, Guerrero-Juarez CF3, Hughes MW6, Lee OK7, Shi S8, Widelitz RB4, Lander AD9, Chuong CM10.
Author information
Abstract
Coordinated organ behavior is crucial for an effective response to environmental stimuli. By studying regeneration of hair follicles in response to patterned hair plucking, we demonstrate that organ-level quorum sensing allows coordinated responses to skin injury. Plucking hair at different densities leads to a regeneration of up to five times more neighboring, unplucked resting hairs, indicating activation of a collective decision-making process. Through data modeling, the range of the quorum signal was estimated to be on the order of 1 mm, greater than expected for a diffusible molecular cue. Molecular and genetic analysis uncovered a two-step mechanism, where release of CCL2 from injured hairs leads to recruitment of TNF-α-secreting macrophages, which accumulate and signal to both plucked and unplucked follicles. By coupling immune response with regeneration, this mechanism allows skin to respond predictively to distress, disregarding mild injury, while meeting stronger injury with full-scale cooperative activation of stem cells.
WHERE are your results please ? Pics, vids etc.
04-14-2015 11:39 AM
Seuxin
Futurocabeludo , do you think you could get full haid of hair ? So, come on, give us your pics !
04-14-2015 12:22 PM
NeedHairASAP
Quote:
Originally Posted by liuxuewu
Cell. 2015 Apr 9;161(2):277-90. doi: 10.1016/j.cell.2015.02.016.
Organ-level quorum sensing directs regeneration in hair stem cell populations.
Chen CC1, Wang L2, Plikus MV3, Jiang TX4, Murray PJ5, Ramos R3, Guerrero-Juarez CF3, Hughes MW6, Lee OK7, Shi S8, Widelitz RB4, Lander AD9, Chuong CM10.
Author information
Abstract
Coordinated organ behavior is crucial for an effective response to environmental stimuli. By studying regeneration of hair follicles in response to patterned hair plucking, we demonstrate that organ-level quorum sensing allows coordinated responses to skin injury. Plucking hair at different densities leads to a regeneration of up to five times more neighboring, unplucked resting hairs, indicating activation of a collective decision-making process. Through data modeling, the range of the quorum signal was estimated to be on the order of 1 mm, greater than expected for a diffusible molecular cue. Molecular and genetic analysis uncovered a two-step mechanism, where release of CCL2 from injured hairs leads to recruitment of TNF-α-secreting macrophages, which accumulate and signal to both plucked and unplucked follicles. By coupling immune response with regeneration, this mechanism allows skin to respond predictively to distress, disregarding mild injury, while meeting stronger injury with full-scale cooperative activation of stem cells.
I didnt ask WHY you need to damage hair to grow it back...
I asked why you weren't making sure people who buy it know that all of their hair will fall out and they will have large red scabs all over their scalp... for up to 6+ months... that should probably be on the package....
04-14-2015 02:46 PM
joachim
if liu can't come up with any real results and solid science behind it, i think we should report him to the indiegogo moderators. such a scam treatment, and even unsafe treatment, should not reach its funding goal. people should be warned.
04-20-2015 07:40 AM
liuxuewu
Quote:
Originally Posted by joachim
if liu can't come up with any real results and solid science behind it, i think we should report him to the indiegogo moderators. such a scam treatment, and even unsafe treatment, should not reach its funding goal. people should be warned.
Please carefully read all chips, there are scientific explanations, and a number of the case. this product is a special cosmetics, already approved by the CFDA in China. You don't rely on how to judge whether it is a safe treatment. It is cosmetics are not drugs.
04-20-2015 07:42 AM
liuxuewu
Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedHairASAP
I didnt ask WHY you need to damage hair to grow it back...
I asked why you weren't making sure people who buy it know that all of their hair will fall out and they will have large red scabs all over their scalp... for up to 6+ months... that should probably be on the package....
Hair hair loss is the essential process of regeneration. If you don't accept, don't use it.
I will tell all of the people, may arise from using this product. With nothing hidden.
04-20-2015 07:46 AM
liuxuewu
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seuxin
liuxuewu,
It's simple. We know here you was the man who provide the Chlorine dioxyde solution there is a few month.
We didn't see any good resultst...
So, please explains here what is the difference with that new product ( if there is really differences).
Thanks
Most people don't, feedback messages, you call without seeing good results can only be got incorrect information from individuals.
04-20-2015 07:49 AM
liuxuewu
Quote:
Originally Posted by Conpecia
there has been ample time for the many people who have tried this product to come forward with results. none of them has done so. not one. liu, no one should give you money or time until you return with clear photographs showing results. by now you should have 50-100 people showing results and there is nothing. why?
Do you use finasteride, Mi Nuodi son, did you ever see good results?
My purpose of this chip is to United States application for clinical trials, it will have good results.
Before trial, a lot of people just didn't give me feedback.
04-20-2015 07:57 AM
liuxuewu
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Mancini
Liu, come on mate?
If your product was any good you would have convinced some geezer or big business with plenty of readies to form a joint venture.
No doubt you would be wearing £10,000 suits and crocodile skin shoes for your weekly apppearance on talk shows were you would be laughing at Robert De Neros jokes, though you aint got a clue what hes really saying
We want genuine scientific evidence, not your hear say or some picture of you on the front of Time magazine sandwiched between two beautiful women who are six inches taller than you.
It is not a drug, I can't give you proof. So I'm going to the United States FAD applications for clinical trials, if finished the clinical trials naturally have evidence.
Even if you use and no amount of finasteride and miner, and nor can you regrow hair, so if you are bald now, so you'll always be bald.
04-20-2015 07:59 AM
liuxuewu
Quote:
Originally Posted by noisette
Not, I don't want to put your product on my head, my scalp when I saw the testers heads lol.
Please, feel free to show us your results.
