Complete RU58841 Usage Guide

Things You'll Need:

1) Get 10 grams of RU from Kane.

2) At the same time order off of eBay or Amazon a 0.001 gram digital scale. You NEED this to correctly measure 30-100mg of RU for each application. These typically cost between $20-30 US, heres the one I use: http://i50.tinypic.com/23j28wn.jpg

3) Buy yourself the following items at the drug store;
-1ml dropper ($2-3.00 max)
-100ml or more of propylene glycol (aka PG) (I paid $3.10 for 200ml)
-Everclear alcohol. Make sure it is 95% alcohol/190 Proof. http://tinypic.com/r/246rjmd/6

4) Obtain a very small bottle that holds no more than 20ml of liquid, you'll need this to make your daily mix of RU with PG and Everclear. I use a small 'Testors' bottle (I bought it containing paint but knew I would dump it out and use it for mixing RU). Refer here for my testors bottle:
Image: http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn....os/8804T-2.jpg
http://www.newcenturyhobbies.com/Tes...4T_p/8804t.htm

Although, a company called 'Aztek' also makes small bottles, check here:
Image: http://www2.gpmd.com/image/t/tesr5330.jpg
http://www3.omnimodels.com/cgi-bin/w...=WR&I=TESR5330

5) Buy yourself a small measuring spoon, you don't need to go balls out on this, just get something cheap but SMALL even from a cheap 'Dollar Store'. You'll need to scoop up the RU powder somehow.

Note: here's an image of some of the stuff thats used in my arsenal against MPB:

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/...al-labeled.jpg

Whats is a 'Vehicle' ?

RU powder cannot be applied directly on the scalp with the hopes of being effective. It needs to penetrate the skin and works it magic where the hair follicle lives. This can only be done when RU is mixed into a solution like Everclear or KB and dissolved completely. Your solution should end up looking completely clear. This is known as a vehicle. In this guide I show and explain how to use RU with Everclear. There is also another popular one (as mentioned previously) called KB. You can buy this in group buys or elsewhere (Kane, MPB Treatments) and mix RU in that. KB is a prepared vehicle, so you won't need to mix any alcohols and PG together which is a bonus, but the downside is you don't have control over the ratio between alcohol/pg.

How To Mix:

1) Using your digital scale and scoop, measure however much you'd like to use. Don't use more than 100mg *ever* although its good to start off for the first month or so at a higher dosage like 100mg only to kickstart the whole process and any potential regrowth. Make sure to use the TARE function when you've got your small plate on the scale, obviously this cannot be weighed as part of the RU powder so you'll need to be at 0.000 weight before beginning.

2) Dump the RU powder into your small bottle.

3) Using your 1ml dropper, pour 0.7ml of everclear into the bottle and let the RU mix with it for 10minutes or so. I typically mix the RU and everclear a little more by squeezing in and squeezing out the mixed solution with the dropper. Having it just sit doesn't desolve it completely. I do this for about 30 seconds though.

4) Using your 1ml dropper again, pour in 0.3ml of PG into the bottle and mix it again with the RU and everclear. I typically wait a couple minutes for it to mix in completely.

Youre ready to apply.

Application:

1) Its absolute BEST to apply mixed and prepared RU after youve washed your hair/scalp and your hair is completely dry. Try to apply it within 30 minutes of washing your hair because your scalp produces an oily substance called sebum which will lessen the efficacy of RU penetrating the skin and blocking DHT topically.

2) If using on your hairline, be aware that the RU solution is a bit watery so its best to apply WITHIN and behind the hairline. You'll want to preserve what may be receded but potentially also regrow any hair. This way, youre not just applying it the slick bald spots, you want to maintain as well! If you apply it just outside the hairline to regrow anything, you'll find that a lot of runs down your noggin and go to waste.

Tip: Exfoliate your scalp! This is actually good because it removes old skin and lets you fight DHT even better. Try to buy yourself an exfoliating cream. Theyre not too expensive, maybe $25 at the most but you won't use much of it anyway, just around the hairline/temples or wherever needed. I typically exfoliate before showering. Let the cream sit for about 1-2 minutes though.

Here's where I apply RU:

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/...pplication.jpg

Red lines indicate where I drop RU. Any spots in between are usually rubbed in with finger or compensated with CB which I'm on as well.

Storage:

Keep your RU powder sealed and in the fridge or better yet in the freezer to have the efficacy last for as long as possible. I've read that RU can withstand several weeks in normal room temperature before it goes bad, but don't risk that and just store it in the fridge/freezer. Also, make sure it is kept AWAY from light and sealed tight blocking out air. I have mine stored in a small plastic bottle closed tight but I also put the bottle into a ziplock bag as well and in the fridge.

Notes:

Try not to buy anything thats an 'all-in-one' as the efficacy in that is pretty much crap compared to fresh daily batches of mixed RU. Its best to do this process every day, but 3-5 days worth of batches prepared is fine as well. It is tedious at first, but soon enough it will become pretty quick and you wont need to use the digital scale and you'll end up just eye-balling it. Again, try to store it in the fridge and away from light and air. I suppose one of those old 35mm film roll containers could work quite well against light, but keep it double sealed regardless.

How long will RU58841 last?
It depends on the concentration. The higher concentration, the better the efficacy, the shorter it will last you and the more its going to cost you. Its also going to depend how many times a day you apply and if you apply more than 1ml per application. 10mg of RU in 1ml is useless. Don't expect results. 20mg isnt going to do much either, so don't bother. I wouldn't go below 50mg.

I've upped my dosage to 100mg/1ml and apply once daily. So, do the math;

10grams (10,000mg) / 100mg = 100 applications

Since I use RU once daily, that obviously gives me 100 days worth of usage, so a little over 3 months. If you buy from Kane, 10g will cost you $225, or $75/month.

Results: I've created a log of my usage with RU, Minox, Nizoral, CB and Saw Palmetto, read here for more details; http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=12390

Nice post hell!

Hell might as well write his own book and sell it on BTT ahah

This is exactly what I am seeking. Thanks!

Great thread Hellouser, However if anyone outside US he can order the RU pre mixed product ready from www.mpbtreatments.com and spare himself from the headache :D

RU isn't as good premixed as it degrades quickly, especially when it's not stored properly. (like when it's shipped or caught in customs) Also, 1% RU from MPB treatments isn't enough RU

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Originally Posted by FearTheLoss

RU isn't as good premixed as it degrades quickly, especially when it's not stored properly. (like when it's shipped or caught in customs) Also, 1% RU from MPB treatments isn't enough RU

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FeartheLoss, how do you actually know that Ru degrades quickly?
Shipping? You mean that it degrades in 15 days or so?
Also you can get from 1 till 5% Ru in mpbtratments

hellouser we really apreciate and thank you for your info and guide, respect, its is trully helpfull that all the web has it as a secret how to where how much etc about these treatments.

i can see HUUUUUUGE improvement with your ru keep it like that, in a way you are saved you are rescued you avoided the curse , i am really happry for you, we will keep waiting and hoping for cb the next months , something tells me that cb will lower your hairline and boos the density more, we cant wait,



file poly kalo apotelesma , prepei na eisai paenytyxhs, sygxarhthria:)

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Originally Posted by TO YOUNG TO RETIRE

file poly kalo apotelesma , prepei na eisai paenytyxhs, sygxarhthria:)

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Damn! I completely forgot all greek! Youre going to have to translate, haha.

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Originally Posted by Yunaiba

FeartheLoss, how do you actually know that Ru degrades quickly?
Shipping? You mean that it degrades in 15 days or so?
Also you can get from 1 till 5% Ru in mpbtratments

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I read on another forum somewhere I forget..but to get 100% benefits from it you don't want to mix longer than 2 week batches...I do one week batches

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Originally Posted by FearTheLoss

I read on another forum somewhere I forget..but to get 100% benefits from it you don't want to mix longer than 2 week batches...I do one week batches

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Same here, I stick to somewhere between 5-7 days per batch.

Hellouser: I currently apply 3ml of Capillogain at night. RU at 1ml would not cover my diffuse scalp, let alone both corners of hairline. Are you really just applying drops to your scalp then rubbing it in.

I find it very difficult to use 1ml to cover the entire scalp.

great thread

I decided to start at 50mg of RU in 2ML of Alcohol/PG. I needed to increase the amount to cover my entire diffuse scalp.

I'm reading more and more that RU is more of preventative solution than a regrowth one. I hope I can have some success Hellouser. Wish me luck.

anyone know of a suitable vehicle alternative to propylene glycol/alcohol? That shiz gives me unbearable dandruff

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Originally Posted by greatjob!

anyone know of a suitable vehicle alternative to propylene glycol/alcohol? That shiz gives me unbearable dandruff

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I always use 96% Ethanol + Glycerin to dissolve my powders in, which doesn't give me dandruff.

Great guide, I bookmarked this gem. In one post you mentioned ordering from Ontario, and here you noted Kane. Which is preferable?

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Originally Posted by StayThick

Hellouser: I currently apply 3ml of Capillogain at night. RU at 1ml would not cover my diffuse scalp, let alone both corners of hairline. Are you really just applying drops to your scalp then rubbing it in.

I find it very difficult to use 1ml to cover the entire scalp.

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Refer to my picture I posted of where i apply RU. I squeeze the dropper and then run down the scalp. In some areas I just let out drops (crown and corners of temples).

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Originally Posted by KO1

Great guide, I bookmarked this gem. In one post you mentioned ordering from Ontario, and here you noted Kane. Which is preferable?

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I've never purchased from Kane. OC I've heard mixed review, but I wont be buying from them again for two reasons;

1) Expensive.
2) Henry seems like an asian FOB. His responses via email aren't ensuring.

Given #2, I would hesitate to buy from him again as I question the purity.

where do you guys buy the everclear I read online that it isnt available in every state.

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Originally Posted by growhair

where do you guys buy the everclear I read online that it isnt available in every state.

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I got mine in Bufallo, New York

hellouser, is it possible to apply ru while in the army? can i do that? that everyday mix thing make me think of it that its impossible, what should i do?

i am stressed now, i was thinking to join army and when i leave army be full of hair or at least have good hair :) ,a bonus for me would be that they force you to have buzz cut so it will be easier to apply :)

Hey Hellouser, did you read about the benefits of topical fina ? As you're the king of homebrewing: do you think it would be easy to make a topical creme out of the pills ? Since it will probably take some time before topical fina becomes FDA approved (at least a phase III study probably is required)

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Originally Posted by Arashi

Hey Hellouser, did you read about the benefits of topical fina ? As you're the king of homebrewing: do you think it would be easy to make a topical creme out of the pills ? Since it will probably take some time before topical fina becomes FDA approved (at least a phase III study probably is required)

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If it dissolves fine in ethanol, it should work fine. But I've got a feeling it will still go systemic more so than RU. RU for me seems to work quite well so to hop off a working treatment just to try Fin (which I despise) is a major gamble.

I hate everything about Finasteride all the way to wishing Merck would go up in flames. They along with the men that have been on it and havent done anything to push for a superior alternative are partially to blame for why were still even talking about finasteride in 2013. We should be a LOT further.

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Originally Posted by TO YOUNG TO RETIRE

hellouser, is it possible to apply ru while in the army? can i do that? that everyday mix thing make me think of it that its impossible, what should i do?

i am stressed now, i was thinking to join army and when i leave army be full of hair or at least have good hair :) ,a bonus for me would be that they force you to have buzz cut so it will be easier to apply :)

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RU58841 isnt a steroid as far as I know, so that should be fine. However, whoever finds out it may put you in a shitty situation.

I am 100% sure that applying RU on a shaved head will yield much better coverage and results. A lot of my application gets stuck in my hair rather than going onto the scalp.

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Originally Posted by hellouser

RU58841 isnt a steroid as far as I know, so that should be fine. However, whoever finds out it may put you in a shitty situation.

I am 100% sure that applying RU on a shaved head will yield much better coverage and results. A lot of my application gets stuck in my hair rather than going onto the scalp.

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Do you have any advice for applying it if you have shaggy hair?

I just ordered some mainly because of the amazing results you and a couple others have had with it, but am worried most of it will get stuck to my remaining hair and not absorb into my scalp. I have heard some complain it is really hard to spread it out over your entire scalp.

Can you apply it right after the shower? Because that is when my scalp shows up the most.

Thank you

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Originally Posted by hwildcat

Do you have any advice for applying it if you have shaggy hair?

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Cut it.

10char

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Originally Posted by hellouser

Cut it.

10char

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I second that .. I cut my hair to 1'' its really easy to apply RU now. even at 3'' most was getting caught in hair and I was using a very fine tipped dropped

I bought RU few weeks back, but had to leave urgently from country and left RU in the fridge, will it still be ok?

I never opened it

I'm on Finasteride and I'm not sure if it's going to work for me. Would RU likely work if fin failed?

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Originally Posted by abrorcasanova

I bought RU few weeks back, but had to leave urgently from country and left RU in the fridge, will it still be ok?

I never opened it

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Yes it will be fine .. read the handling and mixing instructions .. keep the bulk in the freezer .. as long as its not out open to the air in room temp its fine.

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Originally Posted by DifferentLine

I'm on Finasteride and I'm not sure if it's going to work for me. Would RU likely work if fin failed?

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You're on fin and its not working? Please explain/how long have you been on... Both together can be synergistic ..

^I've only been on fin for 2 months.

I know it's far too early to tell if its going to work for me. I'm kind of a pessimist, so I almost expect to be in the 10% that it doesn't work for.

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Originally Posted by DifferentLine

^I've only been on fin for 2 months.

I know it's far too early to tell if its going to work for me. I'm kind of a pessimist, so I almost expect to be in the 10% that it doesn't work for.

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fin can take up to a year to see results. That is how long it took me.

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Originally Posted by DifferentLine

^I've only been on fin for 2 months.

I know it's far too early to tell if its going to work for me. I'm kind of a pessimist, so I almost expect to be in the 10% that it doesn't work for.

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you have to be really careful and take pictures if you can - I thought it wasn't working for me so well and stopped it becasue of mild side effects - but I then realized it had stopped my hair loss and actually strenghtened my hair, and noticed a huge shed in the 3 months after I quit.

So don't just quit unless you are really sure of quitting, because I would pay 2 grant to have the hair I had a year ago and to be able to take fin consistently.

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Originally Posted by jlantern

fin can take up to a year to see results. That is how long it took me.

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When you say it took a year to see results - do you mean it took a year to see regrowth, or it took a year for your hair fall to lessen?

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Originally Posted by DifferentLine

When you say it took a year to see results - do you mean it took a year to see regrowth, or it took a year for your hair fall to lessen?

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I justed minox and keto for a year or so .. and it was fine .. but then I moved quickly to a nw2.. then it took a bit to get up the nerve to use fin in that time. The first 6 months there was a light shed .. then for 2 months it stayed pretty steady, which made me happy(also thickened up my crown). the latter 6 months up until I started RU I saw some small hairs come up. But those hairs I could only see in bright light at a certain angle .. Nothing of notice..

Those hairs from FIN RU made really long now. They are not shedding and I hope to grow back thicker. Take a look at my pictures you can see what I am talking about. The hair you see in those pictures are shedding right now. Hopefully in am month they grow back thicker.

Its way to early to tell if fin is working for you or not

^ Sorry for all the questions jlantern. You mentioned you had a light shed for the first 6 months; were you shedding more than before you started fin or less during this time?

Much appreciate your help.

Guys, I keep hearing varying opinions on the vehicle. Many argue K&B Solution by itself is a better vehicle, while some prefer the PG/Everclear route.

Anybody try both or have a preference in vehicle?

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Originally Posted by DifferentLine

^ Sorry for all the questions jlantern. You mentioned you had a light shed for the first 6 months; were you shedding more than before you started fin or less during this time?

Much appreciate your help.

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Good question. I would say before I started fin I saw a lot of thick hairs shedding. Once I started fin for 4 months I saw the same hairs then it went to shedding of just thin hairs. then shedding stopped the latter 6 months

is there any possibility i get sexual sides from ru?

does this has anything to do with the vehicle?