Astressin B Test Update

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Originally Posted by krewel

Sorry, but are you insane? You can't just test some compounds on yourself, even if it's just topical. I think I don't need to explain why, no matter how depressed you are. There are even guys who are injecting themselves with Astressin B. That is totally over the hill, not from this world..

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All these ingredients are available at a mothers market and have already proved over many years their safety. These aren't new un-researched compounds. This isn't any different than taking these ingredients in pill form. I have only compounded them into a topical solution for 'hopefully' targeted delivery.

I am not depressed either. I am lucky enough to look ok with a shaved head. Experimentation is more of a hobby for me. Most of human regenerative medicine wouldn't be anywhere today if people weren't experimenting.

Has anybody found anywhere that is actually selling Spectral.F7 yet?
According to DS Labs it is supposed to be available this month.

Done some more digging…here is a quote from a site today which shows the latest news. So expect it to be available end Oct

Preorders now being taken. Orders will be held till stock arrival. Latest word is the lab is still doing some testing and the wearhouse is waiting for it's arrival. We have presold 40 of the 60 units I will receive in the initial order. Looking at about 2 weeks to get shipped to us.

I think that initial sales for this product are going to be absolutely mega and all the initial supplies will probably be taken up by pre-orders so it may be a while before it can be purchased regularly and added to your regime.

I also wonder if DS Labs is getting a bit worried about the amount of publicity that this stuff is creating. It is only a relatively small company and they might not be geared up to deliver a product that is going global. And they still call it a ‘booster’. I’m not too sure what that means.

I hope that they get it together and deliver a product that works. One thing for sure is that there is going to be no lack of feedback concerning its efficacy.

I have put up some new pics.
http://homehairgrow.blogspot.com/

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Originally Posted by PaulC

I also wonder if DS Labs is getting a bit worried about the amount of publicity that this stuff is creating. It is only a relatively small company and they might not be geared up to deliver a product that is going global.

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I doubt they're 'worried'! Ecstatic at the expectation, more like. DS have really raced to get this product out first. I'm stunned at how quick they've commercialised it. Surely they are only able to do this because the compound has a known safety profile, because otherwise the FDA would come down on them like a ton of bricks. From one mouse study straight to market release? Not likely!

So assuming they have the safety profile, then good luck to them. I am quite favourable towards DS Labs because I've had good results with DNC. I recognise that if I buy this F7 product there is absolutely no human evidence to back it up but that's not how DS work. If it's safe and you want to use it, DS can get it to you and you can trust they've acted in good faith on the published science available.

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Originally Posted by PaulC

I hope that they get it together and deliver a product that works. One thing for sure is that there is going to be no lack of feedback concerning its efficacy.

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Yeah, if it works well we'll know about pretty quickly. I'm still not convinced that the mechanism for stress applies to MPB but I've read there's some theoretical basis for hoping it will apply.

Since I already use DNC-L I'll consider F7 depending on what I read from others. But as I said I'm pretty positive towards DS, they were the first place I read about apple procyanidins and how they have been as effective as minox in some studies but also work on the hairline. I was sceptical but what convinced me to give it a try was that DS publish the studies they're basing their claims off, unlike most. So I read the studies (which had no relation to DS, they were independent) and they were pretty positive, so I gave it a go. Four months after starting it, I've got about half an inch of fine but dark hair coming in along my hairline, exactly as they said, which I never got from my fin and minox regime. Also a few terminal hairs coming in there too (could count them on my fingers, but they're definitely there and definitely new growth).

No cosmetic value yet of course but when a small lab like DS can induce more hair growth on me than the entire world of Big Pharma, I consider that pretty noteworthy.

(Disclaimer: I'm not suggesting everyone rush out and buy DNC and/or F7. Growth has been minor as I said and the stuff is pricier than minox and much more annoying to put on. This stuff will not solve your baldness problem :) )

Excellent news from the hairloss-research.com team...with the possiblility of human trials

http://www.hairloss-research.com/hai...stressin-b/ent

And don't forget that Spectral.F7 from DS Labs should be available at the end of the month.

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Originally Posted by PaulC

Excellent news from the hairloss-research.com team...with the possiblility of human trials

http://www.hairloss-research.com/hai...stressin-b/ent

And don't forget that Spectral.F7 from DS Labs should be available at the end of the month.

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Well, that certainly seems to settle the question of how well it works on stressed mice... and I have read there is at least some theoretical reason to hope it will work on MPB in humans, though I didn't pay enough attention to it to fully understand what that reason is, something to do with cortisol being implicated in MPB. But we know DHT is the main culprit and there's no suggestion of Astressin-b working on that so I suspect it's only an outside chance of success.

But roll on the human trials. If someone wants to pay for a Phase I/II human trial I won't complain.

This is the first place that i have found to is selling Spectral-DNC-N
I presume that they have stocks.

http://www.fabove.ca/p/ds_laboratori...ral-DNC-N.html

They are also taking pre-orders for Spectral.F7 for shipping 31/10

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Originally Posted by Pate

Well, that certainly seems to settle the question of how well it works on stressed mice... and I have read there is at least some theoretical reason to hope it will work on MPB in humans, though I didn't pay enough attention to it to fully understand what that reason is, something to do with cortisol being implicated in MPB. But we know DHT is the main culprit and there's no suggestion of Astressin-b working on that so I suspect it's only an outside chance of success.

But roll on the human trials. If someone wants to pay for a Phase I/II human trial I won't complain.

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Cortisol is a major cause of the inflammation response. Prolonged inflammation leads to cellular death. If DHT is causing inflammation of the hair follicle which is leading to MPB then you have two choices. Either block the DHT or block the inflammation response. DHT may actually be a necessary component to healthy hair growth. It may be why minox treatment usually produces thinner hair.

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Originally Posted by bmartin1134

Cortisol is a major cause of the inflammation response. Prolonged inflammation leads to cellular death. If DHT is causing inflammation of the hair follicle which is leading to MPB then you have two choices. Either block the DHT or block the inflammation response. DHT may actually be a necessary component to healthy hair growth. It may be why minox treatment usually produces thinner hair.

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Great - thanks for the info! Makes perfect sense actually. I feel far more confident having read that and will definitely be eagerly awaiting the human trials.

I'm not so confident in the topical formulation like Spectral.F7 but you never know.