In the study they say they used the derma roller on the scalp "until mild erythema was noted" that doesn't really suggest they drew blood during treatment, but until mild redness was noticed on the skin.
07-30-2013 09:14 PM
StayThick
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Originally Posted by greatjob!
In the study they say they used the derma roller on the scalp "until mild erythema was noted" that doesn't really suggest they drew blood during treatment, but until mild redness was noticed on the skin.
This. You are not suppose to apply so much pressure on the scalp it draws blood. That's extremely excessive.
I personally apply enough pressure where it's very unpleasant and my skin turns a semi-bright red. NO BLOOD. It even stings 10-15 minutes after application until I wake up the next morning.
I think that's the purpose of the study..not stabbing yourself with dozens of needles while blood pours down your face.
07-30-2013 09:40 PM
hellouser
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Originally Posted by StayThick
This. You are not suppose to apply so much pressure on the scalp it draws blood. That's extremely excessive.
I personally apply enough pressure where it's very unpleasant and my skin turns a semi-bright red. NO BLOOD. It even stings 10-15 minutes after application until I wake up the next morning.
I think that's the purpose of the study..not stabbing yourself with dozens of needles while blood pours down your face.
Well no wonder Jesus never went bald... that thorny crown did him good.
07-31-2013 03:41 AM
the_dude78
I can't help but wonder why we haven't really heard much about this before or seen any real results except from the study linked by OP and the photos from the user PrettyFly83. I mean it has been around for some years. I hope it's because they simply have been doing it wrong and been focusing on absorption and/or not stuck with it long enough. Anyway, I will definitely give it a try and use it once a week.
07-31-2013 07:41 AM
hellouser
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Originally Posted by the_dude78
I can't help but wonder why we haven't really heard much about this before or seen any real results except from the study linked by OP and the photos from the user PrettyFly83. I mean it has been around for some years. I hope it's because they simply have been doing it wrong and been focusing on absorption and/or not stuck with it long enough. Anyway, I will definitely give it a try and use it once a week.
Not a lot of people were doing it consistently and especially nowhere near enough with wounding. It also requires minoxidil as well.
Cotsarelis did mention back in around 2007 that wounding skin induces WNT proteins which helps hair grow, the same protein histogen uses for their injection method.
I hope we all get results.
07-31-2013 10:54 AM
SOTF
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Originally Posted by StayThick
This. You are not suppose to apply so much pressure on the scalp it draws blood. That's extremely excessive.
I personally apply enough pressure where it's very unpleasant and my skin turns a semi-bright red. NO BLOOD. It even stings 10-15 minutes after application until I wake up the next morning.
I think that's the purpose of the study..not stabbing yourself with dozens of needles while blood pours down your face.
This is just wrong. If you aren't bleeding you my aswell be using a .5mm roller. Use a 1.5mm, apply light pressure and see how much of those needles are getting penetration. 1/4th? If I am pressing hard enough to get even half the 1.5mm needles into the scalp, bleeding occurs.
People have been using .5mm for a long time and have no acheived results like in the newest study. So which is it?
07-31-2013 11:22 AM
greatjob!
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Originally Posted by the_dude78
I can't help but wonder why we haven't really heard much about this before or seen any real results except from the study linked by OP and the photos from the user PrettyFly83. I mean it has been around for some years. I hope it's because they simply have been doing it wrong and been focusing on absorption and/or not stuck with it long enough. Anyway, I will definitely give it a try and use it once a week.
DR. Cotsarelis's work is based on the same principle, so we have been hearing a lot about this, it's just a poor man's version of his work.
07-31-2013 12:18 PM
Barron
I agree. I feel like a lot of people gave it a shot from 2007 - 2009 and no one came to any clear-cut conclusions. Anecdotal evidence that it has worked for some people does exist, but no group of individuals tried it consistently and in a controlled manner.
The way I see it is, as with any hair loss treatment, it's difficult for individuals to gauge effectiveness when they don't see any clear-cut regrowth (even though, IMO, maintenance counts as effectiveness) and it requires months, if not years, to be able to tell.
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Not a lot of people were doing it consistently and especially nowhere near enough with wounding. It also requires minoxidil as well.
Cotsarelis did mention back in around 2007 that wounding skin induces WNT proteins which helps hair grow, the same protein histogen uses for their injection method.
I hope we all get results.
07-31-2013 12:57 PM
Velvetmonkey
Why do people keep saying you need minoxidil for this?
The study suggests you don't need minoxidil to achieve results. It says clearly that people applied minoxidil 24 hours AFTER microneedling. I'm no expert on wound healing, but obviously you would absorb more minoxidil by applying it directly after needling.
Or am I missing something?
I'm waiting for my roller now. If this works it will be huge.
On a sidenote. I remember one time as a kid, my friend squeezed his thumbnail into the top side of my hand for laughs. A coupple of hours later a single super thick black hair had sprouted in the same place. I mean, I don't have hairy hands. So this kid obviously managed to force a hair to grow on the back of my hand by "microneedling" it.
So yeah, I believe in this shit for sure! :)
07-31-2013 01:36 PM
hellouser
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Originally Posted by Velvetmonkey
Why do people keep saying you need minoxidil for this?
The study suggests you don't need minoxidil to achieve results. It says clearly that people applied minoxidil 24 hours AFTER microneedling. I'm no expert on wound healing, but obviously you would absorb more minoxidil by applying it directly after needling.
Or am I missing something?
I'm waiting for my roller now. If this works it will be huge.
On a sidenote. I remember one time as a kid, my friend squeezed his thumbnail into the top side of my hand for laughs. A coupple of hours later a single super thick black hair had sprouted in the same place. I mean, I don't have hairy hands. So this kid obviously managed to force a hair to grow on the back of my hand by "microneedling" it.
So yeah, I believe in this shit for sure! :)
Because minoxidil can give serious side effects if it goes systemic; rapid hearbeat being one of them. I've read reports that Minoxidil is supposed to raise PGE2 level, which are actually lowered in balding men compared to non-balding.
Also, I read somewhere of someone being bald and getting a bad sunburn o his head only to find new hairs growing after.
