• 05-10-2012 06:12 AM
    tizzle
    thx a lot Pate! sounds very promising considering in the second trial they are going to inject more HSC. I cant wait to see the results
  • 05-10-2012 07:02 AM
    2020
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Pate View Post
    Okay, so. In order to stop these figures flying back and forth all over BTT and the other forums... I have bought the Histogen paper published in the JDD and linked to on their website. Cost 15 USD for a one-time purchase. Unfortunately I am not a student any more I would have free access to journals like these through my university but oh well, 15 USD is a small price to pay.

    you bought this?
    http://www.*************/hair-loss/im...879_file54.pdf

    hairsite already had it apparently....


    those numbers you're giving us are only from TWO subjects. If you want the averages:

    Quote:

    The improvements caused by HSC treatment were significantly greater than those observed in placebo-treated sites for
    hair shaft thickness (6.3%±2.5% vs. -0.63%±2.1%; F=0.046),
    thickness density (12.8%±4.5% vs. -0.2% ± 2.9%; P=0.028),
    and terminal hair density (20.6±4.9% vs. 4.4±4.9%; P=0.029).


    Although a similar trend was seen at 22 weeks, significance was lost as there was no further growth improvement in the subjects. However, at one year, we observed significant improvements in
    hair count (16.0±6.6% vs. 3.65±3.7%)
    and substantial increases in thickness density (17.6±8.39% vs. 0.67±4.3%),
    and terminal hair density (29.5±14.8 vs. 2.4±6.8%)


    ^ this is all from their official paper:
    http://jddonline.com/articles/dermatology/1650


    EDIT: pate was right:
    Quote:

    Subject 027 showed a 123.4% increase in total hair count at one year following a single injection of HSC
    :eek: :eek: :eek:
  • 05-10-2012 07:54 AM
    tizzle
    Subject 027 is one lucky bastard :)
  • 05-10-2012 08:45 AM
    BoSox
    123% ???? That's gotta be a fluke. This would be incredible if they can get results like this consistently.
  • 05-10-2012 09:27 AM
    gmonasco
    Quote:

    Subject 027 showed a 123.4% increase in total hair count at one year following a single injection of HSC
    Eh? Where does this figure come from?
  • 05-10-2012 09:33 AM
    2020
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gmonasco View Post
    Eh? Where does this figure come from?

    from this:
    http://www.*************/hair-loss/im...879_file54.pdf

    page 3
  • 05-10-2012 09:44 AM
    gmonasco
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 2020 View Post
    from this: page 3

    But if you look at the figure referenced in that note, it shows photos displaying a hair count going from a baseline of 214.5 hairs to 324.5 hairs after one year, which is only a 51.2% increase.
  • 05-10-2012 09:54 AM
    jpm
    With growth rates like this, I and many other are probably thinking, sod the healthy and safety trials. Pump industrial quantities of that sweet sweet HSC into my scalp please :D


    .......only kidding, health and safety first guys!!
  • 05-10-2012 10:08 AM
    jpm
    Just reading through the Histogen article and it states, 'HSC's effect on hair growth was concentrated within 1-2mm of the site of injection'.

    I read somewhere that it spread out once injected...otherwise you would need hundreds of injections. ouch!
  • 05-10-2012 10:17 AM
    LarryDavid
    Why is the haircount increasing in the placebo group?
    Even when you look at the average of all subjects it is increasing after one year.

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