Alvi Armani Hair Loss Research Discontinues 'Hair Cloning'

**Scientalk56** · 09-13-2013, 07:54 AM

Alvi Armani ?! Never heard about it. well i guess there's no need to hear about it now sine it closed

**hellouser** · 09-13-2013, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by Scientalk56

Alvi Armani ?! Never heard about it. well i guess there's no need to hear about it now sine it closed

There were some patents posted online about their discoveries, I believe theyre in Italy.

**Scientalk56** · 09-13-2013, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by hellouser

There were some patents posted online about their discoveries, I believe they're in Italy.

Well, i would like to say it's interesting, but no point in reading about them at all..
We should keep an eye on companies that have a chance like Histogen, Replicel, etc..

**hellouser** · 09-13-2013, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Scientalk56

Well, i would like to say it's interesting, but no point in reading about them at all..
We should keep an eye on companies that have a chance like Histogen, Replicel, etc..

Follica is a particularly interesting one, unlike the others, apparently they just need an approval on their device rather than the compounds used to inject as those are (supposedly) already known and approved.

**DesperateOne** · 09-13-2013, 10:48 AM

I saw this yesterday and was thinking about posting it but I then saw that the post was basically self marketing. The guy has something similar to Spencers Hair restorations surgeons and the idea the a plant extract can have better results than fin is just ridiculous. Obviously I hope I am wrong and that we can get a hold of that plant but I don't think this is worth any time.

**DepressedByHairLoss** · 09-13-2013, 10:57 AM

This was really promising because when I read the patent, it said that they achieved something like 114% hair regrowth, which would amount to basically a full head of hair. Here is the patent: http://www.google.com/patents/US20110305671.

I don't really have much confidence in some all-natural plant extract. But I'm sure they're still content with charging $20,000 with their archaic hair transplants though.

**caddarik79** · 09-13-2013, 01:16 PM

isn't it a very bad news in general for the fiel of hair cloning or hair multiplication? and for people who believed it might be five years from now?

**534623** · 09-13-2013, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by caddarik79

isn't it a very bad news in general for the fiel of hair cloning or hair multiplication? and for people who believed it might be five years from now?

What do you mean? The following part?
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"Any hair loss treatment must produce cosmetically acceptable results and without control of hair angulation and trajectory in hair cloning, unattractive cosmetic outcomes are likely. The amount of donor follicles to be collected is far greater than initially thought. Donor cell extraction process is difficult with significant amount of cellular waste producing limited usable cells. Thousands of follicles are needed to replicate them for treating baldness. Potential for cancer development with excessive auto replication of injected cloned cells is also a concern," said Dr. Hayatdavoudi.
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The problem, for example, with the "control of hair angulation and trajectory in hair cloning" is not not only "likely" it's, unfortunately, a FACT. For example, Dr. Ken Washenik (Aderans) reported this as well 1 year ago or so, namely, THE reason why they stopped on focusing for "brand new hairs from scratch".

But don't worry:
Dr. Nigam has solved all these problems within month - and with photoshop ...

**Thinning87** · 09-13-2013, 02:25 PM

That's what happens when you try cloning. But it turns out it's not necessary to do so

**hellouser** · 09-13-2013, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by 534623

What do you mean? The following part?
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"Any hair loss treatment must produce cosmetically acceptable results and without control of hair angulation and trajectory in hair cloning, unattractive cosmetic outcomes are likely. The amount of donor follicles to be collected is far greater than initially thought. Donor cell extraction process is difficult with significant amount of cellular waste producing limited usable cells. Thousands of follicles are needed to replicate them for treating baldness. Potential for cancer development with excessive auto replication of injected cloned cells is also a concern," said Dr. Hayatdavoudi.
*******************************

The problem, for example, with the "control of hair angulation and trajectory in hair cloning" is not not only "likely" it's, unfortunately, a FACT. For example, Dr. Ken Washenik (Aderans) reported this as well 1 year ago or so, namely, THE reason why they stopped on focusing for "brand new hairs from scratch".

But don't worry:
Dr. Nigam has solved all these problems within month - and with photoshop ...

LOL!! That made my day.

**NeedHairASAP** · 09-13-2013, 05:24 PM

I dont get it. They can create the hair, but can't control the direction.

Can't they build some micro structure (like nigam and lauster do) that is biodegradable and will fade away after the hair has it's direction fixed?

**caddarik79** · 09-13-2013, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by 534623

What do you mean? The following part?
*******************************
"Any hair loss treatment must produce cosmetically acceptable results and without control of hair angulation and trajectory in hair cloning, unattractive cosmetic outcomes are likely. The amount of donor follicles to be collected is far greater than initially thought. Donor cell extraction process is difficult with significant amount of cellular waste producing limited usable cells. Thousands of follicles are needed to replicate them for treating baldness. Potential for cancer development with excessive auto replication of injected cloned cells is also a concern," said Dr. Hayatdavoudi.
*******************************

The problem, for example, with the "control of hair angulation and trajectory in hair cloning" is not not only "likely" it's, unfortunately, a FACT. For example, Dr. Ken Washenik (Aderans) reported this as well 1 year ago or so, namely, THE reason why they stopped on focusing for "brand new hairs from scratch".

But don't worry:
Dr. Nigam has solved all these problems within month - and with photoshop ...

agree :-) but I was just wondering if it will create a domino effect in people giving up the field?
cause I was interested in this for example: http://www.hasci.com/en/science/hair-multiplication/

I though it was just a matter of time, to perfect it as they say... it could even be in 5 years for me (2020), I would have just bridged with three HST in the meantime... altough we never got the answer about eligibility of already transplanted patient for injection of HM;;;

**UK_** · 09-13-2013, 11:57 PM

I hope Gho can get more than 20% some day

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**baldozer** · 09-14-2013, 03:26 AM

Some big pharmas must have pressured them to stop this research! Afterall treatment is much more profitable than a cure!

Alvi Armani Hair Loss Research Discontinues 'Hair Cloning'

Alvi Armani Hair Loss Research Discontinues 'Hair Cloning'

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