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  • Dutch_Dude
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 238

    Recoverup!

    I wanted to share something with you guys.

    I mailed this company (recoverup) and they say that their product is already available, in Taiwan!

    Read this:


    Dear Jonathan E,

    My sincere apologies for the late reply to your email. We have been flooded with inquires in regards to this type of AAA (Autologous Adipose Adult) stem cell therapy for hair regeneration, and this has caused some delay in processing client inquiries.

    The current situation is that most countries around the world still haven’t passed legislation approving the use of AAA stem cells, even though we stipulate in our Ethical Charter, that we do not under any circumstances use embryonic stem cells. We only use stem cells from you, for you. It seems our company is slightly ahead of the curve in developing stem cell therapies that completely bypass the previous moral and ethical issues.

    As a result, we have had to evolve our service locations in response to the current situation. Currently, we are offering the Recoverup Stem Cell Hair Regeneration service in Taipei, Taiwan and Penang, Malaysia.

    The treatment is available today. This treatment functions to re-activate (or ‘rejuvenate’) existing follicles. Therefore you would expect the places where there still are follicles, no matter how weak, to be able to be treated successfully with the Recoverup Stem Cell treatment. Empirical data indicates you would expect to see at least 40% of all treated areas showing one of four results; (1) darker hair (2) thicker hair (3) faster growing hair or (4) more hair per follicle. Overall the effect is of ‘more hair’, in those areas which were treated, i.e., in those areas which already had some form of existing follicles.

    As this treatment does not create new follicles, but rather rejuvenate existing ones, it is not considered a new treatment, but rather a step jump in technology, in the field of hair reconstruction.

    In those areas where there were no existing follicles at all, the Surgeon would suggest no treatment be done there using stem cells, as the results are very minimal. For those areas we may suggest you combine your stem cell treatment with a hair transplant in one procedure at our clinic.

    Growth has been shown to start approximately at 2 weeks, and in my case (I had the treatment done as well) it took 10-11 days before I could see the new hair growth. Another benefit I found was that after my treatment, my hair stopped falling out, in all parts of the scalp, not just those treated directly. It seems the stem cell treatment affects the entire scalp, no matter which part was directly treated, and it causes the remaining hair to stop falling out, as the stem cell growth factors take effect.

    The treatment cost is approximately 8,000-13,000 USD per procedure, with cost depending on the each specific customers required treatment area. The cost is not per follicle but per procedure. However, for extended areas the procedure may take place over more than one day, and in that case the overall fee may be higher. This procedure cost does not include travel, travel insurance or accommodation.

    The first step in the treatment is a liposuction and requires at least 200 ml of fat to be extracted, usually from the waist area. The larger the required area of treatment on the scalp, the more fat needs to be extracted via liposuction. Also the success rate of the extracted fat to stem cells conversion, depends on the patients overall level of existing health. Therefore, the main considerations are level of health and area to be treated.

    Then later in the same day, the extracted stem cells would be cultured and inserted back into the patients scalp. This ‘same day service’ was developed specifically to cater to our overseas customers, who would otherwise need to wait several weeks whilst the cells were cultivated.

    If you are interested in continuing further, please provide a ‘statement of medical health’ from your Doctor detailing any existing conditions, allergies, medications, in addition to your BMI (body mass index). Finally, please provide 4 photographs of the treatment area on your scalp you would like the surgeon to consider (please provide front, top, left and right side views).

    Please note your personal information would not under any circumstances be shared with any other person apart from our R&R Healthcare Customer Service Team and your Responsible Surgeon - your anonymity is assured.

    We hope to hear from you soon. Thank you for your interest in Recoverup Stem Cell Hair Regeneration

    Best Regards,
    Bobby Dean,
    Manager
    The R&R Healthcare Customer Service Team
  • mlao
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 387

    #2
    Spencer, please check this out for us to see if it has any credibility.

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    • alejandro
      Junior Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 5

      #3
      How long are follicles active after you lost your hair? I heard someone saying seven years others say 15... I think this might be really important for a lot of hairmultiplication treatments like Histogen or maybe like this is one.

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      • Gubter_87
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 102

        #4
        I have recieved the exact samet email from them.
        I must say that I am very sceptical about this. They do offer a money back gurantee if hair does not grow, but how do we know what they classify as hair growth? Maybe it's just minoxidil fuzz we're talking about.
        And also they do not show any before and after pictures with the motivation that some other companies enhance such pictures or use fake ones - therefore they will not show us any pictures. I have however asked for pictures via email, and they have said they will send me some. That was two weeks ago, and I have still not recieved any.

        Just my two cents - however of course I really do hope this will be the answer for us!

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        • Dutch_Dude
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2010
          • 238

          #5
          the things i'm most sceptical about are:

          1. they say you can't use other hairloss drugs, which would mean i would have to give up my 1,25 mg a day of finasteride...and i must say, i will have a lot of difficulty with that.

          2. they say it restores the hair in the thinning areas and stops the hair form falling out. is it a guarantee that it will work in a preventative way just like finasteride? or maybe even better? that the hair on the rest of your head will just not fall out?

          3. about those pictures gutber, i also asked them about it yesterday. i still didn't get a response, but i hope they send them. if you get them first, could you post them?

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          • Winston
            Moderator
            • Mar 2009
            • 943

            #6
            The email seems to contradict some of what's written on the R&R healthcare website



            Longer-Lasting
            Unlike other treatments that require constant and continued use to sustain their effects, Recoverup actually stimulates the creation of new follicles and subsequently the growth of fresh, healthy and long-lasting hair, that won't fall out, as the expected life span of the hair follicle is at least 5 years, or more.


            I also notice that in their press area the most recent bit of press is Spencer Kobren's post from the Bald Truth, but it says nothing about their stem cell procedure. It all seems a little strange to me.

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            • KeepTheHair
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2010
              • 1215

              #7
              As usual, most likely crap. But I wish it wasn't

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              • Dutch_Dude
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2010
                • 238

                #8
                so i guess we all just have to wait patiently for histogen's hair stimulating complex or trichoscience or aderans...although i was surprised to receive this mail because their website looks very promising.

                if they say that the "real" treatment is coming out in a few years, why do they have this treatment in taipei that no one knows about?

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                • KeepTheHair
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 1215

                  #9
                  If there really was a cure it will be well known, thats a fact. Very fast.

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                  • NateDog
                    Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 96

                    #10
                    Another money spinner

                    Remember someone on here talked about Reneregix or something (cannot remember the name exactly) but it was stem cell regeneration being offered right now for USD eight thousand dollars

                    I enquired with them to see and then saw Doctor Rassman provide a reply letter he received also and it was a automated generated email response word for word

                    Only one true solution which is hair transplant currently plus if Propecia works for you lucky you (I do not believe its done wonders for myself like I see others on here) however I have just decided to throw Dusteride into my regime (0.5mg every second day) and see how it goes

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                    • Dutch_Dude
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 238

                      #11
                      This is the answer I got back from Recoverup after contacting them again:

                      Dear Jonathan E,

                      Thank you for your email.

                      We would like to introduce this treatment to all parts of the world, but currently only Taiwan and Malaysia offer a favourable location to offer this service. There is a lot of confusion about the different types of stem cell, and this is causing legislation to be changed very slowly.

                      In answer to your question; it does seem from our previous customer experiences that the remaining hair doesn’t fall out anymore. I personally found this to be the case. I had used topical and oral medications to prevent hair loss for over 12 years, and I haven’t used any since my treatment last November, and the hair loss has stopped. In the past, when I stopped using medication, within 2-3 weeks, considerable hair loss would occur.

                      The reason the hair loss stops is because the stem cells excrete a form of ‘growth factor’ which (seems to) spread to the other cells in the scalp, and this causes the remaining hair to stay in place.

                      In terms of your existing medications, you might consider re-evaluating the continued use of such after your treatment. The actual results of each patient depend on the vitality of the stem cells extracted, so each case is different.

                      With regards to your question of Norwood 1; If a person has very few existing follicles in a certain area, then the treatment has been found to be less effective there. The treatment works best where there are still some existing hair follicles.

                      In the case where there are no existing follicles at all, the Surgeon would suggest having a combination treatment incorporating a partial hair transplant and partial stem cell treatment.

                      I could give you a more specific evaluation if I were to forward your treatment area photographs to the Surgeon.

                      Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.


                      Best Regards,
                      Bobby Dean,
                      Manager
                      The R&R Healthcare Customer Service Team


                      Rejuvenation & Regeneration (R&R) Healthcare


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                      • Gubter_87
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 102

                        #12
                        I recieved a similar reply along with pictures of two patients. I am not the best judge of pictures but I definately think there is some improvement.
                        Right now there are just a bit too many if's and but's about this treatment. Okay it won't grow hair where there is none, but will it stop the rest from falling out? and for how long? Say it would, then in combination with a hair transplant it could be very effective.

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                        • Dutch_Dude
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 238

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Gubter_87
                          I recieved a similar reply along with pictures of two patients. I am not the best judge of pictures but I definately think there is some improvement.
                          Right now there are just a bit too many if's and but's about this treatment. Okay it won't grow hair where there is none, but will it stop the rest from falling out? and for how long? Say it would, then in combination with a hair transplant it could be very effective.
                          that's true, but where can we get proof? the guy didn't send me any proof or anything...i can't just trust this guy with my eyes closed that my hair would stop falling out. also, i find it very odd you need to NOT use propecia to get oyur money back if it doesn't work. then your hair is lost, and if my propecia stopped working i would panic.

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                          • mlao
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 387

                            #14
                            We all know that new hair loss therapies will most likely be dependent on stem cells. And I for one really want to believe that this will have some positive effect on someone who has it done. That said they have been very slow to provide some reasonable proof that it works. It seems like something only a very rich person could afford (8 to 13k?) in which case they probably wouldn't care if there was a guarantee or not, so using or not using meds would make no difference. It almost seems like they are trying to test the procedure out while getting paid to do it.
                            The only way we'll know if it has any positive effect is if Spencer presses them on the claims they are making.

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                            • Dutch_Dude
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 238

                              #15
                              Originally posted by mlao
                              We all know that new hair loss therapies will most likely be dependent on stem cells. And I for one really want to believe that this will have some positive effect on someone who has it done. That said they have been very slow to provide some reasonable proof that it works. It seems like something only a very rich person could afford (8 to 13k?) in which case they probably wouldn't care if there was a guarantee or not, so using or not using meds would make no difference. It almost seems like they are trying to test the procedure out while getting paid to do it.
                              The only way we'll know if it has any positive effect is if Spencer presses them on the claims they are making.
                              Spencer? Could you help us out?

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