Expecting to see a NW5 get "laid off" today

What kind of job is it?

Aha, he got fired because he's bald. In a few years, when you lost yours, you'll undoubtedly be next.































































I mean c'mon seriously.

I'm currently working for one of the top 10 employers in Belgium, top 30 in Europe and half the management is bald or balding, including my direct boss.

Where are you from 25?

I'm from Belgium too and I can't imagine that happening in my country.

Well I was wrong, he still has his job. I was relying on inside info which usually is correct, but not this time.

White collar, office. NO face to face customer interaction. Most of us could look like shrek and it would make no difference to our job performance.

Maybe. I am on dut+fin+keto+supplements to try to prevent this.

It is different when you do not work directly under women. Bald guys like to hire other bald guys because they are nonthreatening. Unless it is the rare "goodlooking bald guy"....common bald guys can despise them even more than men with hair

USA
Women like to hire men they find attractive when they can. If you are goodlooking but 100% incompetent then ok, you will not be working there long (but will probably still get hired initially). However if you meet the bare minimum of performance & female management likes your look, you are golden
The only exceptions: lesbians, women over 60, & women who hate themselves so they do not want to be around attractive men (or women)




I am actually surprised he still has a job. Many different emotions....relief for him, but feeling bad because he works for people who treat him like a loser
In a way I appreciate him being there since I think it puts me on more of a pedestal. I realize this is selfish & wrong but I can not help feeling this way.

I work with way too many legitimately ugly people (with and without baldness), as well as people with Assburgers, to believe this at all.

Then your work place is probably run by men, or women who are old or lesbians or far below average in appearance, or else it is 100% populated by unattractive people (I doubt you are bad looking, going by some of your stories)

Also I was not exaggerating (except apparently about him getting fired, but I would bet almost anything he will not be here this time next year). We both know you can easily tell when someone is out of favor at work, it is so obvious it can get awkward.
Admittedly his social skills are kind of bad but you can tell he is seriously trying to be likeable/friendly & as far as I am concerned he is dependable. Yet our FEMALE GM and FEMALE service manager barely acknowledge him when they come through the office. Do you think things would be the same way if he was tall & looked like Brad Pitt? Srsly imagine that for a minute. F*ck no, of course things would not be the same

You recently graduated right? You will quickly see what I am talking about, keep an eye out for this kind of behavior. In fact this is exactly the job & exactly the guy that pulled the last wool away from my eyes. This is why I have been bringing up hair re: the work place (hair is obviously just 1 component but it does matter, period)
All the stuff about hard work we hear growing up....yes you have to meet a minimum standard. But unless you have started your own business, hard work is less than half the battle. Getting your boss to like you is by far more important, by far, and if yoru boss is a woman who finds you distasteful to look at then you are basically running the rat race w/ a peg leg


goodnight, have to wake up early to style my hair & pretend to not have MPB for yet another day. Really looking forward to "another 5 years" of this

You know that people can be dicks at work even bosses and fire you for plain politics that have nothing to do with appearances right ? Sure I have an example of a guy who had a full head of hair and a five o'clock shadow but wore rumpled clothes to work. But he made the mistake of mentioning what he made for a salary and a manager being paid nearly the same overheard and decided to check up on him through the VP of HR and from tapping the VP of Human Resources he found out the guy lied about his previous salary and that he graduated from the college that claimed to have on his resume. So the VP gave him a 24 hour ultimatum either present the W-2 tax form with the wages you claimed to have made in actuality he really made 20,000 dollars less that the amount he bandied about.. and for him to produce the transcript showing that he graduated from the University of Buffalo. He didn't and he was fired after six months of working there. His hair and appearance in the story didn't get him fired...his outright deception to his employers did.

I am bald black guy in good shape athletic build and I have been fired from some jobs after three to four months on probation and I have been at jobs for four years or more. My Norwood level which is improving by the Dut + Keto + Minox regimen and my exercise and body which I have only gotten better through discipline, exercise and portion control. My point baldness or the perception thereof did not get me axed more than likely it was either a) the perception of the delivery of my work did not meet with employer approval/standards or b) political hey I don't like that guy and his work is mediocre and doesn't stand out either way so let's get rid of him or c) the budget is running down and this is the new kid on the pole of seniority so chop him.

I am not sure he is getting shitcanned because he is bald, but not being liked by the wrong people can be career suicide.

The reason could be different than him looking not so good. In my previous job, one of the bosses deliberately promoted a person who was known to be a non-performer, and he always tried to bring good-performers down. The good performers also had good relations with their boss's boss, so were kind of a threat to him, as he knew that they could overtake his/her position one day. And it did happen with one such boss in our company, he was fired and one of his junior took over his position. Some bosses are selfish and put their interests above the company's interests.

He is not just mistreated for being bald obviously. If he looked like Jason Statham he would be fine. But he does not, he is well below average, + he has awkward social skills (however I will again say, he IS dependable in his job going by everything I have seen this year)
The point is this. If you look bad (& when you are NW4+ you most likely look bad as a white guy) you are held to different standards. You MUST be more likeable, better at your job, more careful not to step on toes. You absolutely can not be socially awkward which is something you can get away with if your appearance is above average (hard to pull off once you go NW3 & beyond)
These things apply less if you are working for men (in fact looking good can = a disadvantage with male bosses) but it depends. If you have female coworkers who will vouch for you it can definitely help even if your boss is male.

I think if you are in this guy's situation the best bet is finding work under a family member or friend. With nepotism you do not have to follow the usual social rules/standards. Otherwise you need to be more aware of how you do your job + how you interact with your coworkers and bosses
Significant balding can make the difference between being able to skate by (while still getting raises/promotions) vs. having to bust your ass to tread water. Genetic dice roll....how people can think there is a caring God who set this up amazes me. The same guy who created Brad Pitt's hairline created Jason Alexander's, sure

Admittedly my BDD has been kind of bad lately which is probably why my posts have been more depressing. But this does not make them less valid and I know at least some of you already were very aware of what I am saying
btw I admit some of you are right in some of your comments, I might reply later today

This post is pathetic, Im sorry but it is. No one will get sacked, fired, etc for being Bald from any company, it just doesn't happen!!

Most likely for poor performance based on what you've described.

You did not read the whole thread so I will summarize

No you will not get fired just for visible balding in most cases (in some cases yes, examples are modeling or acting jobs). The point is that being NW5 is a very significant factor in why this guy looks bad, looking bad is a very significant factor in how women perceive you.....& how you are perceived at work IS more important than how good you actually are at your job. As long as you meet a minimum level of performance, the game is about getting your bosses (to a lesser extent your coworkers) to like you.
If you work under/around a bunch of women who see you as a nasty toad then you are starting at a major disadvantage. You WILL have to work harder & be more likeable to get the kinds of rewards that above average guys get just by generally not screwing up (actually you still will not get the same rewards, since female coworkers will not flirt with you or try to get you out for drinks.....but at least you will get to keep your job & possibly get some raises, even promotions).

My coworker looks like crap, socially is not very adept. Guess what? He is THE bottom of the totem poll.
Maybe there are factors I do not see, that make his performance worse than I think. But I will ask again, if he was a tall guy who looked like a Hollywood leading man, would his treatment be anywhere near the same (w/ the exact same performance)? No it would not

If you grew up like most of us hearing a million times "it is all about education & hard work" then step 1 is to forget that. Appearances matter at work. They matter a lot. Personality matters also, but that is step 2

Nonsense!

I don't care if I lacked reading the whole thread, you make it clear in your post that appearances matter at work and those who are bald will suffer as a result because they are inclined to have poor appearance?

Dude, half of my senior managers are bald?!?! What you've done is come up with some rubbish theory and decided it's true. You have no fact or proven statistic for this. Surely a site like this is to look for solutions for balding, not drag people down and forever cause depression.

I'm sorry to rant, but I felt like shit, shaved my head and life is ****ing better then it was last time, if I can do it, you can too.