I have not been able to let go and accept my Norwood 7 fate.

[FlightTL]

Look after yourself brother and a happy new year.

Thanks Dav7...You are a very positive force!!! God bless you...


And capitan, yes there have been times when the masturbation went overboard. Somedays my depression hit a all time high, and it was hard to stop masturbating.... I appreciate your input though.

[capitan]

Hey bro are you the guy that asked if it was ok to masturbate 6 times a day?

In case you are, in my opinion it's not ok and I hope you stopped.

If you don't like being bald work on other areas of your life.

Besides that what else can you do besides killing yourself?

Also try and be confident and go talk to girls, get rejected who cares. It's either that or DON'T talk to girls.

I wonder if there's any attractive girl in the world who would actually get up off her ass, walk over and talk to an insecure NW7. I don't think so.

Good luck flight! all the best

[Dav7]

Thanks for your thoughtful and kind response...I will ask the barber for a #2, and try and accept my fate....

In the meantime, I hear chicks like dudes with lower bodyfat...Gym, here I come!

Good on you man. Though I've suggest temporary solutions, please remember that between now and 2020, that there are 101 options up the line.

As for getting fit, this is a no-brainer, I think anybody, be they male/ femlale, NW1 or NW7 should be striving toward a better exercise regime. Important to remember that been chubby can make anybody look like crap and that exercise is both the key toward more confidence and a better body.

Seen as you are a fellow MPB brah, and as someone into fitness, just ditch all the sissy nonsense of running, cardio and whatever else,and hit the strength training. You not only get the same benefits of weight loss/ maintenance as running, cardio etc. you also build yourself up. It's icing on the cake really. Running, jogging, cardio, while demanding the same level of physical expense as strength lifting, they don't provide nearly the same level of physical or psychological benefit as strength lifting.

Please understand this, and particulary as somebody already into strength training - that whether you be a NW1 or NW7, aim for an exercise regime whereby you gain strength as opposed to mere weight loss. Also don't know what type of music you are into brah, but a bit of metal is dead handy when it comes to pounding.

Build yourself up brah, and I'd say that to you regardless of whether you are the NW1 or NW7 end of scale, or whatever in between. Not only are you geting the benefits of exercise (toning, strengthening etc) as opposed to mere crappy exercises like cycling, walking, cardio or whatever...................you are also garnering respect your fellow male-kind. Think about it, a bloke with a shaved head + toned look is not exactly Larry David, or whatever else, and once you get the respect of your brah-kind, then the chicks will follow, naturally gain the respect of other men, then the ladies will follow.

Anyways, that's for the here and now and making the best of our situation/s.................fingers crossed that 2014/15 will make the rest of the years before them look like silly nonsense, and by 2020, we'll probably have a cure for this disease.

Good luck man, I know you've had it even rougher than blokes than me, and for that, I respect you for that immensely. Make the best of the current situation, but remember that hope lies ahead, much moreso than the primitive era in which we live when HT's, Fin and crappy topicals like min + ket is all we have. 2020, when you are my age, will be ten fold better than now...........honestly I wish such a promising future had come along earlier when I was at such a ripe age, as opposed to been in my bloody mid-30s

Good luck man, it hasn't been easy on you and in fairness it's been even harsher on you than many of the other members here, but please remember that you are 21 and not 27/ 30/ 40 or whatever else, and that when you hit a page on this forum when you my age that the treatments will be 10 fold better. You are still young man, and I appreciate it's been extra hard for you given your age, particularly amongst your peers.......but please appreciate that by 2020, the situation will be so much better.

And lastly, don't "accept any fate".............merely accept the fate of what the crappy treatments of 2014 can offer you, by time your my age in 2020, this whole game will be so far advanced that you'll have even more on offer to you than those of us in our late 20s/ 30s / 40s and beyond.............make the best of now, but always hold out hope for the future, in fairnes you've got good reason to, as when you are my age, the options available to you will be almost supernatural in comparison to the fin/ min/ ket crap available now

Look after yourself brother and a happy new year.

[James7]

And lastly, you are only 21 and six younger than me, and even 10-30 years younger than many of the other members here. By 2020 (when you are my age),

Actually I think in Flight's first forum post he said he was 26 in 2011, which means he's 28 or 29 now.

Thanks for your thoughtful and kind response...I will ask the barber for a #2, and try and accept my fate....

In the meantime, I hear chicks like dudes with lower bodyfat...Gym, here I come!

This is an excellent plan FlightTL! Chicks do, almost universally, love a good physique. You sound positive about the gym too, this is good. Go for it!

[FlightTL]

@Flight.............just do what you got to do man. The most basic piece of advice I could give (personally) is that at that stage on the Norwood scale is to shave it off in a buzz cut. To us here on forums like this, it is probably considered a death penalty of sorts, whereas to the rest of the world it is just another hairstyle. Also grow a goatee beard to balance out the look. Another good tip and this is one I find helps me is that spectacles with thick, dark horn rimmed frames tends to work well with the shaved head/ goatee look.

However, that is just for the short term and for now. You could also look into SMP if you want to, but just make sure it's a temporary solution and removable. Also, as regards HT's, there are doctors in India (ISHRS approved etc) doing transplants for one-fifth the cost of doctors in the West, and even BHT's are dirt cheap in comparison to Western clinics. If I am not mistaken a 10,000+ grafts scalp + BHT at these clinics is actually affordable. However, keep these two points in mind (a) never go to a non-recognised doctor in one of these countries and stick to the ISHRS/ IAHRS listed doctors, and (b) think long and hard about BHT, it could be a life changer, but given that it is body hair, just be careful about the whole area.

And lastly, you are only 21 and six younger than me, and even 10-30 years younger than many of the other members here. By 2020 (when you are my age), treatments will be a million times better than the crap out there now like min + ket. And lastly by the time you are reaching 30, over half of blokes are receding anyway, and those un-accoustomed to HT's, go for buzz cuts. It's probably just unfortunate for you at such a young age that all of this set in, particularly around peers your own age. Anyways good luck man.

Thanks for your thoughtful and kind response...I will ask the barber for a #2, and try and accept my fate....

In the meantime, I hear chicks like dudes with lower bodyfat...Gym, here I come!

[Dav7]

GREAT response to Flight' - Dav7!!

I agree with you 100% Happy New Year

Appreciated Artista. In fairness, while flight has had things harsher than even many of us, and at a much younger age, something should be taken into consideration. For instance I started thinning at 24 and am now 27 going on 28 and thanks to years of procrastination, I'm only now able to afford and contemplate a HT. As embarrassed as I am to say this, I only recently started the big 3 recently.

However, what's important to remember is that for blokes for Flight, even at NW7, when they are my age in 2020 the level of treatment, e.g. Donor regeneration, Histogen/ Aderns, better treatments than that fin/ min sh!te, and probably even Dut approved for MPB. To be honest, I would prefer to be a NW7 at 21 than a NW3v/4/5 at the age of 30 or 40 given the progress that is been made in the area.

And honestly, I sometimes wonder if we blokes here (not to downplay the horrible crap that is MPB) over-emphasise and over-analyise things here given our level of knowledge, whether it's our own situation, or whether it's desperately waiting for the next future treatment etc. In fairness, before I hit my (noticeable) MPB stage I hardly ever noticed if a bloke was bald/ shaved or whatever else, e.g. a bloke with a shaved head, whether he was a NW1 or a NW7, to me he was just "some bloke who shaved his head for an alternative hairstyle" so to speak.

Some of my mates are only 20 and full NW1's and yet they shave down to a number 1 or 0. Many professions such as the army, nightclub bouncers etc. also have a culture of shaving down, regardless of whether one is a NW1 or a NW7 or anything in between.

Again, this is not to undermine the rotten crap that is MPB - and although I want to reverse this condition (I wouldn't be otherwise), I still cannot help but wonder if I can be over-analytical or critical of MPB in myself. For instance, most people don't really bat an eyelid out on the streets where I live if somebody has a shaved head, nor does it effect blokes from getting birds etc.

While you will get the occasional drunk idiot that points you out and refers to you as cue ball or whatever else, really the same idiots would probably pick you out for been obese, having a large nose, acne or whatever else, so I tend to ignore such clowns. However, most respectable and grown up folks not only do not make comments such as what you will get out of these idiots, tbh I don't think most of them even notice (providing you are shaved), just as I didn't even notice before I myself started to be afflicted with MPB.

Again, and I can't emphasise this enough, and particularly as I despise this condition - I am not undermining it's psychological effect on our lives and that I hope for a cure asap, it's also important to remember during our darkest hours of sorrow, that we are perhaps a bit too over-educated on this matter, and are too harsh on ourselves when others are much less so.

Again, to the point (with the exception of the odd drunk idiot) whereby the don't even notice or care if you are a NW1 or NW7..............again, I would say that 99% of the people I know not only have no idea about basics such as Minoxidil, HT's etc, but 1 in a 100 people, if not 1 in a 1000 have even heard of the Norwood scale, so that is important to remember. It probably doesn't help that forums like this tend to attract the Highlander's of this world, and for young lads like Flight at NW7 to be hearing nonsense along the lines of "NW3 or death" or "I'll never be the gorgeous male model I was born to be if my temples move 0.237145 cm squared x 3.14 pie upward, life is over, jump in front of a train, jump off a bridge, I cannot go on, all is lost". Again, a perhaps extreme example of how we here are probably so educated on this that we sometimes believe everybody else around us are, when in reality, 99%+ of them are clueless as to basics such as Norwood scales, HT's etc.


@Flight.............just do what you got to do man. The most basic piece of advice I could give (personally) is that at that stage on the Norwood scale is to shave it off in a buzz cut. To us here on forums like this, it is probably considered a death penalty of sorts, whereas to the rest of the world it is just another hairstyle. Also grow a goatee beard to balance out the look. Another good tip and this is one I find helps me is that spectacles with thick, dark horn rimmed frames tends to work well with the shaved head/ goatee look.

However, that is just for the short term and for now. You could also look into SMP if you want to, but just make sure it's a temporary solution and removable. Also, as regards HT's, there are doctors in India (ISHRS approved etc) doing transplants for one-fifth the cost of doctors in the West, and even BHT's are dirt cheap in comparison to Western clinics. If I am not mistaken a 10,000+ grafts scalp + BHT at these clinics is actually affordable. However, keep these two points in mind (a) never go to a non-recognised doctor in one of these countries and stick to the ISHRS/ IAHRS listed doctors, and (b) think long and hard about BHT, it could be a life changer, but given that it is body hair, just be careful about the whole area.

And lastly, you are only 21 and six younger than me, and even 10-30 years younger than many of the other members here. By 2020 (when you are my age), treatments will be a million times better than the crap out there now like min + ket. And lastly by the time you are reaching 30, over half of blokes are receding anyway, and those un-accoustomed to HT's, go for buzz cuts. It's probably just unfortunate for you at such a young age that all of this set in, particularly around peers your own age. Anyways good luck man.

[Artista]

Flight' you are among FRIENDS here. If there is anyway that we can comfort each other ,we will all do so!!
Based upon FACTS and not speculations !

[FlightTL]

Fixed it for you.

Very kind of you, Notcoolanymore...I appreciate that.


I'm sure with your handsome Johnny Cage looks, you'll have a great 2014 with the ladies..I'm pretty sure you already have a 10 with you.



The rest of the gang, thank you for your support.

I will find a hobby and go to the barber and try a number 2.

Thanks you all.


LONG LIVE SPENCER KOBREN AND JOE FROM SI.

[Artista]

GREAT response to Flight' - Dav7!!

I agree with you 100% Happy New Year

[Dav7]

Thanks Artista and everyone for their kind responses....


I hope none of you have to suffer the emotional pain that I've gone through...May you all be cured.

Hey man, you've had things rough, hope something comes along soon. Don't forget it's 2014 already and loads of stuff is scheduled for 2014/ 15 like Aderns, Histogen, Dr. Wesley's regeneration etc, so hopefully there's a decent treatment coming up that's better than the fin and min crap we're all stuck with right now. Good luck and happy new year.

[Artista]

ALL OF US is so right! ..Good 'Fix' Notcool' !
Everyone , dont lose hope and for the meantime, do what you need to do individually to maintain and ENJOY your lives!!
Lets all stay close here and continually support each other!!

[Notcoolanymore]

Thanks Artista and everyone for their kind responses....


I hope none of you have to suffer the emotional pain that I've gone through...May all of us be cured.

Fixed it for you.

[FlightTL]

Thanks Artista and everyone for their kind responses....


I hope none of you have to suffer the emotional pain that I've gone through...May you all be cured.

[Artista]

Hi FlightTL - I feel for you my friend!
I especially wish that no one would experience hair loss at such a young time in their lives!
I appreciate Dr Glenn Charles response to you as well as all the SUPPORT that you have received from our forum brothers here.
Flight' ,as a NW7 have you seriously considered shaving completely?
If you do it would NOT mean that you have 'let go' .
It may be a good way for you to LIVE your life without hesitations. It can be a good COPING strategy for you.
As I have said at a different thread,
"..Do whatever it is that you need to do to stay healthy and happy. When you DO do that, a hair loss treatment/'cure' will sneak up on you"
I feel good about this new year 2014.
If you have any internal frustrations , throw it out if possible.
Please ENJOY this year. I am going to try to do just that.

[Notcoolanymore]

Too ashamed to.

I can understand that. It was hard for me to post my first pics, but I did it anyway just so people can see where I am coming from.

You are 21yo if I remember correctly. I would say yes give meds a try. Keep in mind I have been losing hair for about 16 years and just started treatment late May of this year. I have seen regrowth in my hair. Does it mean you will? No it does not, but who knows. With the low cost of treatment, I just think it is worth a try. If you see nothing in 6 months, throw the stuff away and you can at least say you tried something.