HST / Gho cost - beware!!

[Cookie]

Did Gerard Joling and Wesley Sneijder openly admit having HST done? If not, then they might just have traditional HT.

[garethbale]

Did Gerard Joling and Wesley Sneijder openly admit having HST done? If not, then they might just have traditional HT.

Their stories are on the Hasci website. They had HST done

[Arashi]

I have the same kind of plan...I am currently monitoring my 1 HST results, comparing... I keep in touch with Deborah, keep in touch with this forum for new stuffs, I am not blinded by Gho, he is just the best option for now...

I think you're at 8 months now right ? What is your plan ? I'm at 6 months now and today I've emailed Kristel regarding my next procedure. I'm planning to lower my hairline with another 1/2 - 1 cm and thicken up the whole top area of my scalp with the rest of the (hopefully 1600) grafts. I'm planning to have it done in August, just when I'm at 9 months.

However there's also my crown area which starts to become thinner as well... So I'm not sure yet what I'll do, might just thicken that up a bit as well. Or wait another 9 months and then do the whole crown area at once ...

[caddarik79]

I think you're at 8 months now right ? What is your plan ? I'm at 6 months now and today I've emailed Kristel regarding my next procedure. I'm planning to lower my hairline with another 1/2 - 1 cm and thicken up the whole top area of my scalp with the rest of the (hopefully 1600) grafts. I'm planning to have it done in August, just when I'm at 9 months.

However there's also my crown area which starts to become thinner as well... So I'm not sure yet what I'll do, might just thicken that up a bit as well. Or wait another 9 months and then do the whole crown area at once ...

Yes I will reach the 9 months on the 31 May and Deborah confirmed me that after 9 months it should still grow (communication about the final result in recipient is not very clear but I guess a year is good).
My strategy is to leave at least a year... I want donor and recipient to have the maximum chances of recovering from one to another procedure...
I had 1800, I might go higher or same...
In my case, I was thinking of splitting, maybe another 1000 in my front and HL and the 800 or more in the crown to start make it stronger...

I'm wondering if it's will not penalise us for other potential new treatment, that's why I'm not in rush...
On the other hand, I want to recover my full head...

[cocacola]

I was thinking the same caddarik,
What if hst will interfere on a possible future treatment. The problem is that we all expected some sort of update on histogen/aderans/replicel sometimes before this summer. However, nothing new.

Now, ur thinking of working on crown or front. I think that front is more important than crown for visuals. Depending on ur situation, front should be a priority fix.

[clarence]

I'm wondering if it's will not penalise us for other potential new treatment, that's why I'm not in rush...
On the other hand, I want to recover my full head...

Penalise? Hmm.. What's there to stop us from instead just
1. keep adding density with further procedures? What are the phenomena (beyond money) which limits us from achieving, through added procedures, the same density we had as a kid?
2. restoring density, if any is lost where hairs fail to regenerate, in the donor area, with more HST procedures? Ok, I realize this would be very time consuming with extensive balding patterns, but let's realize, there are hairs/follicles to use in both in the donor area, including those which have regenerated, and in the recipient area, if resistant follicles have been implanted there.

No need to answer, if you don't know the answers. I, for one, don't.

[Arashi]

Yes I will reach the 9 months on the 31 May and Deborah confirmed me that after 9 months it should still grow (communication about the final result in recipient is not very clear but I guess a year is good).
My strategy is to leave at least a year... I want donor and recipient to have the maximum chances of recovering from one to another procedure...

Hmm.. I always thought that after 9 months the donor was completely ready for a new procedure. If 12 months would yield a better result, I'll go for that but I don't think that's true. I'll ask Kristel about it, it's a good thing to know for sure.

I'm wondering if it's will not penalise us for other potential new treatment, that's why I'm not in rush...
On the other hand, I want to recover my full head...

I don't see how that could happen ? I'm thinking about getting 1-2 more Gho procedures done, which should buy me at least 5 years time and buy then hopefully something like Histogen or Aderans is available. I doubt that any FUE/FUT or HST would negatively impact those procedures. I just don't see how that could happen.

[clarence]

I doubt that any FUE/FUT or HST would negatively impact those procedures. I just don't see how that could happen.

Of course, but those procedures are neither supposed to restore your donor density or depletion. Even if you chose HST instead of FUE/FUT.

But maybe HST can do that - restore some or all of the density in your donor, following depletion??

[Arashi]

Of course, but those procedures are neither supposed to restore your donor density or depletion. Even if you chose HST instead of FUE/FUT.

But maybe HST can do that - restore some or all of the density in your donor, following depletion??

I'm not sure I'm following you, Clarence. Your point is that a lower donor density might adversely impact the Histogen or Aderans procedure ?

If that would be true, then the solution would just be to get a maximum amount of HST's done, also from donor to the donor area, as to maximize the amount of hair on your scalp before doing Histogen or Aderans.

[clarence]

I'm not sure I'm following you, Clarence. Your point is that a lower donor density might adversely impact the Histogen or Aderans procedure ?

No that's not my point. After all, the Histogen or Aderans or whatever have (to my knowledge) solely been trialed for the front, top and the crown, ie. where there are minituarized follicles present. I'm just saying, they won't restore the density in your donor, where hairs have been removed with FUT/FUE techniques, if the effect of these treatments is on existing (although minituarized) follicles.... as there are no existing follicles left, as you sure know, beneath those tiny FUE dots.... or (to my knowledge) beneath the HST gaps.

But then again, I don't know what I would need Histogen for, if we could get the job done with "donor to donor"... say, even if we wanted to restore the donor of someone like "JamesBald".

[caddarik79]

Hmm.. I always thought that after 9 months the donor was completely ready for a new procedure. If 12 months would yield a better result, I'll go for that but I don't think that's true. I'll ask Kristel about it, it's a good thing to know for sure.


I don't see how that could happen ? I'm thinking about getting 1-2 more Gho procedures done, which should buy me at least 5 years time and buy then hopefully something like Histogen or Aderans is available. I doubt that any FUE/FUT or HST would negatively impact those procedures. I just don't see how that could happen.

I was actually more talking about the recipient, I want the recipient to reach its best result and then go back... I'm just afraid that 9 months is too early for recipient and digging new holes when there are still some new hairs from first procedure to come out, I 'm not sure it's the best... + it gives really the best time for everything to regenerate/recover...



Yes me too, I had 1800 (and I'm sure I could reach 1900 or 2000 but if they give me another 1800 it's fine).



I'm just thinking about the potential improvement of the whole thing and wondering if the best solution would not be to temporaise the most possible.
On the other hand, knowing that following your reasonning it would be 1800 + 1800 + 1700 + 1600 + 1500 + 1400 + 1300 + 1200 + 1100 + 1000 etc etc there is a cool thing in this >>> the biggest money, you give at the beginning, to bring you to an acceptable hair situation...and then, because of the smaller sessions, it gets cheaper and it's all about making it more and more dense...so you can do it at your rythm...

BUT, it's insane money... that's why, I'm not willing to rush to muc because who knows, maybe i two or three years, there will be much bigger sessions possible for a reasonnable price or new technique or Gho will launch his own HM that he is working on...

[Arashi]

I was actually more talking about the recipient, I want the recipient to reach its best result and then go back... I'm just afraid that 9 months is too early for recipient and digging new holes when there are still some new hairs from first procedure to come out, I 'm not sure it's the best... + it gives really the best time for everything to regenerate/recover...

Yeah I guess that makes sense. I already contacted Kristel, she said that August was already amost fully booked anyway. So maybe I'll just delay it to november, which is going to be my 1 year mark.

BUT, it's insane money... that's why, I'm not willing to rush to muc because who knows, maybe i two or three years, there will be much bigger sessions possible for a reasonnable price or new technique or Gho will launch his own HM that he is working on...

Yeah I totally agree on the technological advancements part. And also, in the coming months we're (hopefully) going to learn a lot more about the exact effectiveness of the Gho procedure, via the 50 grafts test. But on the other hand, man I just want to enjoy a full, dense scalp NOW

[Arashi]

By the way, caddarick, I was just wondering, did you notice any difference in the regrowth speed in the last few months ? For me, regrowth became visible to the naked eye at about 3 months, and in the last 3 months (so month 3 to 6) a LOT regrowth happened. I was just wondering, can I expect that same amount of new hairs to appear in the next 3 months ? Or in other words, did you notice that major regrowth part happened in months 3 to 6 or does it just keep on regrowing new hairs as fast in months 6-9 as in months 3-6 ? Cause if I should expect as many new hairs in the next 3 months as in the past 3 months, man then I'm going to be a VERY happy camper On the other hand, if almost new hairs would appear in the next 3 months I'd be dissatisfied with the end result since it's just not dense enough right now. I'm getting there but just not yet.

So I'm just wondering what to expect in months 6-9.

[caddarik79]

OK, I would say, I kept a fair part of grafts on the first month, then it got weaker and I was even a bit grumpy on the second and third month...at 4 post op, a friend of mine who knows, told me "wtf, it's coming man!!!"... and gradually more and more...

Now I am almost 9 months, when I take a pic of my scalp, if I compare to the 4 months, it is for sure stronger, blacker, a bit more dense...
But still, I wish I will see some more at twelve...cause sometimes I see myself in a lift with a spotlight 30 cm from my scalp...and I'm like, f*ck!!! so expensive and I'm not a Tom Cruise density!!! those dudes with natural full very dense head of hair don't know how lucky they are!!!

But I'm sure, a second one droping another 1000 there + 800 a bit in the crowd, will bring me satisfaction...or, I do another 1800 on the front...and 3rd HST will be totally dedicated to the crown...

[caddarik79]

I might do the second one either end of October or just before Christmas!!!
And yess, I'm like you, can't wait to enjoy a full head of hair...I mean, life is NOW!!!right???

+ imagine, after our third HST, we might just do some small refill, whenever we feel like... from 1000 grafts to 1700 grafts, up to your mood and finance and hairloss...

still a very much hope, prices will go a bit down and competition, real competition will arise...

But Gho, my only option for now...and good shampoos and vitamins and happy life with travels and projects...because even if I monitor everyday, I know how important and even strategic it is, to do other stuffs, go with the flow, experience many things...meanwhile...
and on shitty hair days, I just wear a beanie or a cap and looks great... but I dream of just having a full big bush of black curly hair on my head ;-)...it won't stop me from enjoying hats etc...but, what a relief.