hairdoubling and beardhair... my experience with dr nigams

[Arashi]

Wesley was already bald, donor depleted and scarred BEFORE going to Nigam and those pictures are not documented properly for an objetive and scientific(ish) analysis.

Everyday I read here that the pics that Nigam posts are not documented well enough to know if he is legit.

But suddenly the bar on documentation drops very low when the goal is to crucify him?

Talk about double standard.

You think Hairman2 is lying ? He just said that a very prominent case of Nigam failed too. And it's not just those cases. We KNOW OBI's procedure failed (Nigam even admitted). We KNOW his 15 graft doubling test failed (we've seen the photo's after 291 days). And now we have a prominent case who supposedly failed too and Wesley's being told by a well respected clinic in Antwerp that this procedure failed too. What else do you need man ?

[Hair123]

Wesley was already bald, donor depleted and scarred BEFORE going to Nigam and those pictures are not documented properly for an objetive and scientific(ish) analysis.

Everyday I read here that the pics that Nigam posts are not documented well enough to know if he is legit.

But suddenly the bar on documentation drops very low when the goal is to crucify him?

Talk about double standard.

[Arashi]

Just posted on that other forum, from user "Hairman2" who we all know was very much Pro-Nigam not too long ago:

"unfortunately, I have heard some more really bad news from another patient of Dr. Nigam. It appears that another one of Dr Nigams very *prominent cases* has spoken up about a very bad self-assessment. He is however disinclined to make any further comments on it, as he is still awaiting to undergo a professional test (possibly a hair count?!). I think slowly it is time to move on, Dr Nigam's in-vitro doubling does not appear to work.

I have been very reluctant to pass any kind of judgment until now but honestly, in no good conscience can I recommend for ANYONE to go to Dr Nigam at this point. I would be willing to reconsider if Dr Mwamba's donor doubling assessment turns out to be positive. Until then the evidence that it is not working as promised is piling on."

[Arashi]

I wasnt aware about other operations.

Ok. Well we'll see how it goes. Nothing at 4 months is worrysome. If there's still nothing 2 months later, at 6 months then it really becomes bad and if there's nothing at 7 months then chances have reduced pretty much to 0. So I guess we'll know rather soon.

[bananana]

You do realize he got 5000 grafts via a FUT and a FUE before going to Nigam but after begin 2008 ? So that 2008 picture is not relevant in relation to Nigam's procedure.

And of course I agree that for any procedure in general, final judgement can only be at 12 months. And some grafts still might grow, if he really messed it up so bad that he killed EVERYTHING, that would be even beyond my worst expectations. Honestly in the beginning I thought that his doubling just didn't work (so half would grow). But now it does start to look worse than that. Again, it's very soon, but seeing NOTHING at 4 months ... that's not good.

I wasnt aware about other operations.

[Arashi]

I must say, today situation is better than in 2008.

At least now he can use microfibers to conceal this, however only 4 months passed.
Final judgement will be at 12 months mark.

You do realize he got 5000 grafts via a FUT and a FUE before going to Nigam but after begin 2008 ? So that 2008 picture is not relevant in relation to Nigam's procedure.

And of course I agree that for any procedure in general, final judgement can only be at 12 months. And some grafts still might grow, if he really messed it up so bad that he killed EVERYTHING, that would be even beyond my worst expectations. Honestly in the beginning I thought that his doubling just didn't work (so half would grow). But now it does start to look worse than that. Again, it's very soon, but seeing NOTHING at 4 months ... that's not good.

[bananana]

I must say, today situation is better than in 2008.

At least now he can use microfibers to conceal this, however only 4 months passed.
Final judgement will be at 12 months mark.

[nameless]

I mean, guys, it's likely that it has failed bigtime.
But can you really be 100 % sure after only four months?
Maybe we should wait until the six or seven month mark before judging the procedure completely?

I agree. It doesn't look good presently but we need to wait at least 6 or 7 months before we can come to a fair conclusion.

[Arashi]

Right, and I dislike Nigam personally (perhaps not as much as you) and think he's a fraud most likely - but if it's him that found the cure I don't care, I just want the cure. I wouldn't recommend anyone to go and get a procedure done with him, obviously, he's clearly pretty awful. What I'm saying is, if he's just splitting grafts and it's as simple as that, maybe he has, on occasion, despite his lack of skill and scientific knowledge, done it semi-successfully. His openness and Mwamba's willingness to experiment after seeing his patients at least offer a shred of evidence in favour of that. I don't know, I guess we'll see.

Hairloss sucks. Big time. We all want a cure and I couldn't care less if it comes from a guy who I despise for cheating on people. I'm just saying it seems highly unlikely he's really onto something. And if splitting grafts was really that easy, why haven't we seen any credible results in those 10+ years we know about the theory ?

Mwamba's willingness to look into it is surely a good thing. And who knows, maybe he'll succeed where all others failed. But I'm not getting my hopes up yet. In fact, I've accepted reality that we'll be stuck with traditional (albeit scarless) transplants and current meds for a while and am going to consider what my next step will be. In my opinion it's always better to accept reality and deal with it than to do nothing and just hope for something.

[HairBane]

'Think' and 'hope', those are 2 very different things. Of course you can hope but why would you think that ? If you look at the facts: Nigam's 15 graft test failed, his HM procedure on OBI failed and it looks like his hair doubling procedure on Wesley failed. Combine that with the fact Nigam lied about pretty much everything and I really don't see why one would 'think' that he really stumbled onto something ... Of course, theoretically it's not impossible, but in my opinion highly unlikely if you look at the facts. And, again, a doctor only knows he 'stumbled' onto something if he documented his on proof and if he had proof, the first thing he'd do is show it to the world.

Right, and I dislike Nigam personally (perhaps not as much as you) and think he's a fraud most likely - but if it's him that found the cure I don't care, I just want the cure. I wouldn't recommend anyone to go and get a procedure done with him, obviously, he's clearly pretty awful. What I'm saying is, if he's just splitting grafts and it's as simple as that, maybe he has, on occasion, despite his lack of skill and scientific knowledge, done it semi-successfully. His openness and Mwamba's willingness to experiment after seeing his patients at least offer a shred of evidence in favour of that. I don't know, I guess we'll see.

[Arashi]

I think there's at least a possibility (I hope) that Nigam was at least on to SOMETHING, maybe he stumbled across a way of regenerating some hair

'Think' and 'hope', those are 2 very different things. Of course you can hope but why would you think that ? If you look at the facts: Nigam's 15 graft test failed, his HM procedure on OBI failed and it looks like his hair doubling procedure on Wesley failed. Combine that with the fact Nigam lied about pretty much everything and I really don't see why one would 'think' that he really stumbled onto something ... Of course, theoretically it's not impossible, but in my opinion highly unlikely if you look at the facts. And, again, a doctor only knows he 'stumbled' onto something if he documented his on proof and if he had proof, the first thing he'd do is show it to the world.

[HairBane]

I think there's at least a possibility (I hope) that Nigam was at least on to SOMETHING, maybe he stumbled across a way of regenerating some hair - and maybe he's also a fraud and really crap and doing transplants. If that's possible, maybe Mwamba or someone else will figure out a way of actually doing what Nigam falsely claimed to be doing. It seems theoretically sound enough, maybe Nigam is just awful at hair transplants and constantly fumbles all the biotech stuff. If there was a way to double hairs, bisecting grafts seems like a fairly obvious way to do it, so Nigam can't really take much credit for it.

[Arashi]

Even from a normal transplant you aren't likely to see any growth at 4 months post-op.

I just went through my own photo's, here's a photo of 4 months and 1 week after my procedure: http://cdn.imghack.se/images/e987fe2...e3a8dc909d.jpg

I think about 70% is there, some hairs were still very 'fresh' and therefore extremely thin, almost like spider rag, only viewable if you zoom in and look right, but still, they were there. To my understanding that's pretty standard for any hair transplant.

Prohairclinic, a well respected clinic in Antwerp, has taken a look at Wesley's scalp and concluded there was nothing there. Again yes, in theory it might still come but the odds are not exactly good and if you combine that with the fact that Nigam's own 15 graft test failed ... it all doesn't look promising

[greatjob!]

Look at Boldy. Nigam gave him a different procedure (FUE+HM, without splitting grafts), he has good growth already, just like you could expect with any normal FUE after 4 months (he was treated the same week as Wesley). When looking back my own photo's from my own (hasci) procedure, I saw the first regrowth at 2 months and had about 70-80% of my hairs at 5 months. I think that's pretty normal for such a procedure.

Yes, 4 months is quick, but man, this looks very very disappointing and not promising anything good at all, very much the contrary. We'll see but I highly doubt it will get much better.

Yeah sometimes people are early growers, I'm just saying from my personal experience having two transplants and looking at 1000's of results over the years it is very common to see little to no growth at 4 months post-op. So while I'm not too hopeful this will be successful based on Nigam's track record, I think it is still too early to call it an outright failure.

[Arashi]

Even from a normal transplant you aren't likely to see any growth at 4 months post-op.

Look at Boldy. Nigam gave him a different procedure (FUE+HM, without splitting grafts), he has good growth already, just like you could expect with any normal FUE after 4 months (he was treated the same week as Wesley). When looking back my own photo's from my own (hasci) procedure, I saw the first regrowth at 2 months and had about 70-80% of my hairs at 5 months. I think that's pretty normal for such a procedure.

Yes, 4 months is quick, but man, this looks very very disappointing and not promising anything good at all, very much the contrary. We'll see but I'm really afraid he won't see much improvement.